RE: If Allah has a plan, what is the point of Dua?
January 29, 2016 at 2:58 pm
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2016 at 3:08 pm by Angrboda.)
(January 29, 2016 at 1:46 am)Sheed1980 Wrote:(January 28, 2016 at 9:23 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: These type of coincidences demonstrate nothing. They result from people with two much time on their hands looking for significance where there is none. Now if Muhammed had written about such numbers occurring in his text, I might not so casually dismiss it, but then it would be intentional. There's nothing here that couldn't have happened by accident. As far as proof of faith, none of these numerological miracles is convincing. It's like the Davinci code; you can find parallels in any text of sufficient length.The first thing u have to understand is Prophet Muhammad pbuh didn't write this or anything else in the Qur'an because he was illiterate, he couldn't read or write, and everybody who knew him knew this. That was one reason why God sent it through him. To show that no human could come up with such a scripture. But how about God says in the Qur'an The universe is expanding. How could anyone in the 7th century, when telescopes and satellites weren't even drawn up, have knowledge of this unless He created the universe. Today astronomists see our universe is still expanding to this day. Imagine drawing dots on a balloon then inflating it with air. The dots will move further away from one another which is exactly what stars and planets in our universe is doing as well. What human had knowledge of this, back in a time when they thought the Earth was flat and the mountains held up the skies?
Yeah, I don't believe that the people/person who wrote that passage meant anything like the modern scientific conception of inflation. You're just taking a passage which vaguely interpreted can be said to be consistent with modern scientific knowledge and claiming on the basis of that consistency that they had foreknowledge of the modern scientific understanding. It doesn't prove anything but that loose descriptions can sometimes accidentally describe other things than what they were originally intended to describe. It doesn't show that the consistency of the passage with modern knowledge is a sign that they had modern knowledge before it was available through ordinary means.
(January 29, 2016 at 1:46 am)Sheed1980 Wrote: Or another example is the words for land and sea are mentioned 13 times and 32 times throughout the Qur'an. Add them to get 45. Then 13/45=28.8888889% and 32/45=71.1111111% these are the exact scientific percentages of land and water that cover our planet to this day. No human knew this. So this book had to have come from someone who did have that knowledge, who is none other than Allah, our creator I have more for u if u like
And we're back to numerology. Do you understand that there is a qualitative difference between claims that the authors knew about universe inflation and claims that numerical coincidences are significant? I'm much more influenced by the former than the latter, but you seem to feel that they belong in the same category. That's sloppy thinking and makes me doubt that you are effective at applying reason to these claims generally if you can't see the difference.
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