RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
January 29, 2016 at 5:32 pm
(This post was last modified: January 29, 2016 at 5:38 pm by scoobysnack.)
(January 29, 2016 at 11:56 am)Old Baby Wrote: Also, I have my doubts that Storm is a fraud. I think he probably really did have an experience that changed him. It's more likely that he just filled in some of the missing details to make his story more compelling. The idea that he is secretly an atheist scamming people seems much less probable to me than the more likely explanation, that he's a believer who was probably an atheist for the wrong reasons. It's certainly possible he could be exaggerating his prior atheism to sweeten the story. Preachers tend to exaggerate for effect. That doesn't mean they aren't sincere.
Have to ask what does it mean to be an atheist for the right reasons? What are the right reasons?
I'm going through the posts, and have noticed a pattern so far. The main one is that people are claiming he wasn't a true atheist because he now believes in God, and is either a liar that never was an atheist, or not a true atheist. I would say that everyone can change, and to say that if you are an atheist you have to be one for life, is almost like faith of religious people where nothing can effect your belief system.
What's interesting is that many religious people disagree with NDEs because they don't fit into their faith. Not all, but many that I've talked to at least. NDEs are something that can unite many belief systems and people from all walks of life.
(January 29, 2016 at 5:28 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(January 29, 2016 at 5:01 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: The thing with NDEs is if you study them in mass, you would form a different conclusion than reading a few, at least from the perspective of the NDE. A common theme and message that comes back is the experience will be different for everyone, just as the experience here is different for everyone, and the beings that people meet give answers to the questions. One answer is that they provide you with the experience that you need, whether you need to meet your deceased relitives for comfort, or need time alone in the void for contemplation before moving on.
Quote:Subjects of Indian near-death experiences frequently report being taken to the after-death realm by functionaries who then discover that a mistake has been made and send the person back, whereupon he or she revives.
http://www.near-death.com/religion/hinduism.html
You're seeing what you want to see in these stories.
On the contrary. When I first read this years ago, I was suicidal, and wanted to think there was nothing after life so I could end the pain. What I found was quite a surprise, and especially reading the NDEs of suicide attempts I came to the conclusion suicide was the wrong answer, and then I started reading dozens of NDEs, and they changed the way I view life. I wasn't an atheist at the time. I grew up Catholic, but fought it, and didn't take much of it seriously. That's my personal story at least.
Here's some failed suicide NDE's and the stories of what people brought back, also changed their lives.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/su...earch.html