RE: Near death experience of Howard Storm
February 1, 2016 at 2:21 pm
(This post was last modified: February 1, 2016 at 5:23 pm by Mister Agenda.)
scoobysnack Wrote:Would you please reference a post in which the reasoning for claiming he wasn't an atheist is because he now believes in God or that people can't change? I promise to look that post up and give the person a mild chiding. If you can find three posts by different contributors that support your claim, I'll concede your point that it's a pattern (and chide each of them).Old Baby Wrote:Also, I have my doubts that Storm is a fraud. I think he probably really did have an experience that changed him. It's more likely that he just filled in some of the missing details to make his story more compelling. The idea that he is secretly an atheist scamming people seems much less probable to me than the more likely explanation, that he's a believer who was probably an atheist for the wrong reasons. It's certainly possible he could be exaggerating his prior atheism to sweeten the story. Preachers tend to exaggerate for effect. That doesn't mean they aren't sincere.
Have to ask what does it mean to be an atheist for the right reasons? What are the right reasons?
I'm going through the posts, and have noticed a pattern so far. The main one is that people are claiming he wasn't a true atheist because he now believes in God, and is either a liar that never was an atheist, or not a true atheist. I would say that everyone can change, and to say that if you are an atheist you have to be one for life, is almost like faith of religious people where nothing can effect your belief system.
What's interesting is that many religious people disagree with NDEs because they don't fit into their faith. Not all, but many that I've talked to at least. NDEs are something that can unite many belief systems and people from all walks of life.
The reason his atheism is implausible, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE PATTERN OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING SO FAR, is that his attitude towards his previous atheism is so shallow and stereotypical that it does not seem to be informed by any actual experience of being an atheist. That there is no independent confirmation available so far of his former staunch atheism doesn't help. Many people who don't understand what atheism actually is, claim to have been atheists when they were really just not very good Christians, or weren't 'born again' yet, or weren't fundamentalist enough. Atheists do occasionally convert to a theistic religion, and Storm may be an example of it, but his description of life as an atheist doesn't ring true.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.