Near death experience of Howard Storm

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Why do these people never explain OBEs as a result of clairvoyance?  Oh right.  That doesn't fit the narrative.

Never considered, but found an example if you want to read through it and give us your perspective. I'll try to read after I reply to a few other people.

http://beta.jofc.org/telas/home/viewer.p...c_52_05_en

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It is not that hard for your brain to imagine doctors trying to revive you when you are dying, It seems like a given that would be the case while your dying in a hospital.

But telling the doctor specific information about the procedues used and nurses that may have come and gone that the doctor admits is accurate is more impressive. I've heard a few stories about that. 

Not that there's a pattern of people reading links, but here's one

http://www.near-death.com/science/skepti...ption.html

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Some said these couldn't have been dreams. I'm sorry, I didn't read the article, can someone tell me why not?

Just saying, though, if these could have been dreams - they were definitely dreams(assumming that the author didn't lie about the whole thing). There would be no better explanation available. All one would have to believe is that the author had all of a sudden an extraordinary recall of his dream escapades, in this particular instance.

Couldnl't tell you exactly, but everyone has had dreams, and the people that talk about NDEs and OBEs say they are more real than dreams. Just going by what they say since they are the one who claims the experience.

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No, I don't find this man's story remarkable or compelling enough to challenge my views on the possibility of a supernatural being's existence.

Incidentally, I had a near-death experience as a teen, after I and several other swimmers in the same vicinity got sucked into a rip current off the Atlantic coast. I spent the first moments trying to disentangle my hair and limbs from a hefty stranger who was attempting to use me as a life-preserver. After a wave separated us, I believed I had still had a shot at swimming to shore. 

I was wrong; I was too far out. I could only manage to swim a few strokes before a huge wave crashed over me and knocked my body under. I re-emerged, gasping for air. The cycle repeated, until I was simply unable lift my legs well enough to swim anymore; I had almost nothing left. All I could manage to do was tread water, and just barely so. I was exhausted and became overcome with grief upon the realization that I would in fact be dead within mere moments of the next wave hitting me. 

My focus did shift suddenly, and I became calm, but I did NOT see any white light, flashing colors, my own body, tunnels, strange beings or spirits, hear any voices, or sense any presence outside of my own. The single 'unusual' thing I did experience was what's commonly referred to as life flashing before one's eyes; clearly visualizing random events from my childhood, much like a movie montage. The next thing I knew, I was coming to and coughing/throwing up seawater on an orange rescue raft. The hefty guy and a few others were hanging onto the sides.

I never ascribed the life flash to anything supernatural at any point, because I assumed it occurred as a result of tremendous stress and lack of oxygen. There are scientific theories that offer perfectly reasonable explanations as to why and how things like this can occur. Here's one:

Thanks for sharing your story! I'm glad you are alive, but wonder if your experience had lasted longer, what you would have seen. I've talked with a lot of people in person who have had similar experiences, and many who claim to have been accidents, went unconsious. An old roommate of mine has been in multiple accidents, has a steel plate in his head, been in the hospital, said he found himself outside of his body standing next to his body on the ground and his destroyed motorcycle. He claims to be able to see auras, whether that's true or not. He is a strict atheist, so I guess that would be an example of someone who didn't have their life transformed, yet had an experience.

I'll check out your video after replying to a few others, and let you know what I think.

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You expect us to read and watch more material, when everything you've posted so far has contained no evidence at all? And when called on this, you have no response except "wait and see"?

You're over-compensating for having nothing of substance by trying to be mysterious.

Anecdotes are not evidence. Or rather, they are terrible evidence. If that's all it takes to convince you of things, then I can tell you loads of anecdotes, but you'll instantly dismiss them as fake because they don't line up with your narrative.

You can't seem to decide if you're just sharing your own opinion or trying to teach us something.

The science isn't settled on this phenomenon, and there is still work and studies being done. We obviously wouldn't be having this convo if it was because it would be universally understood. I would argue that we are still young in our evolution and new developments and understanding every day. Before the first person circum navigated the globe is was common knowledge the earth was flat, and anyone who thought otherwise was clearly a fool. And even then it took many more years for that to become common knowledge. And even today, we have people that believe the earth is flat, which I don't agree with at all. That's just a basic example to just ignore thousands of examples to the contrary, and wait for others to do the work for you without taking any time to read about something that contradicts your belief system, is just lazyness in my opinion. Just imagine what humanity will know in 500 years, and how many things we think we know will be proven that we didn't fully understand our world.

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There is still a lot more to say, which I will, but I'm waiting for people to read what I've posted so far, and read what they have to say about it also. I don't have all the answers, and in the end this is something for people to find out on their own, and likely it will not be until we die. I'm going to present information but we need to all accept that we perceive the reality we exist in, and everyone will have their own opinion and form their own conclusions.

I plan to talk more about the spiritual realms the earthbound realm, which is here outside of our body, the void, hell, fog, heaven, examples of veridical OBE/NDEs. I'm surprised no one has commented on the baby part of the story on the link I provided, where outside his body, he found out the baby had a broken bone, that was later verified by the doctors when the parents took him in.

What needs to be talked about is whether consciousness can exist outside the brain. Do we even know what death is, such as clinical death where the doctor determines you are dead, but somehow you come out of that state.

Anyone have the time to watch the video to hell and back, where atheists died and went to hell, and came back? It's presented by a doctor. I'm not picking on atheists here, for me it's interesting because atheists believe nothing can happen after death, which is why they are more interesting than the stories of religious people who were expecting it. Here it is again. When I have more time I'll give some more info, but I have a full time job and a lot of other priorities to take care of as well. Howard Storm is interviewed here as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veD9dpgwnzc

I know you can't see it, but... the first five minutes of that video is just poisoning the well.

You watch that video to learn how to convince yourself of what it is that you start off already convinced.

Or you don't watch it to shield yourself from opposing viewpoint so you can feel comfortable in your safe space.