(February 1, 2016 at 3:16 pm)athrock Wrote: That's what the resurrection is all about. Jesus is risen from the dead.
No they're not, they're two different statements. In Genesis there are examples of people who are "raised" by God to be in heaven (or as it puts it "walk with God"), Enoch for example. So we know the Jewish understanding of being raised to the celestial realm was not to be physically resurrected here on Earth. Mark is written before any of the other gospels - I'd say by around 55AD or so, but others say 70-80AD. In any case he does not have an understanding of a physical resurrection where Jesus then appears to people in his raised body. Paul doesn't know about this either - which is why I contend that Mark was written around the same time as Paul's Epistles. The only two things that Paul mentions are "visions of Jesus" and "receiving by divine revelation" which he claims to frequently do, and it's anyone's guess what that means. But it probably meant he was taking some kind of hallucinogen to invoke a "spiritual experience" and believed that he received things by revelation that way, as there are plenty of other examples of this throughout the centuries.
He never once claims to have met the resurrected/risen Jesus. It's Luke who makes that claim in Acts 9, but as it's at best a second-hand account we can ignore it. Especially since Paul himself never corroborates the account - he simply says he received a "revelation about Jesus" (Galatians 1:12).
(February 1, 2016 at 4:17 pm)athrock Wrote: And now, the REST of the story (key passages in bold):
Okay, if that's what you believe then you have a very poor understanding of textual transmission and availability in the Middle Ages. The RCC fought to keep the Bible in Latin.
I've read repeated claims that the Bible was on scrolls of papyrus and parchment in the early centuries and that (somehow) precluded people from obtaining personal copies. This claim is rubbish. At least 2/3rds of the surviving Biblical papyrus manuscripts that exist today were codacies. But even if they weren't it wouldn't matter, Jews were quite content with using scrolls for many centuries before and after the arrival of Christianity, their entire cannon was canonised on scrolls without the use of any codacies (hence how they became 22 scrolls), but just like a codex containing one book (or a collection of smaller books) of the New Testament can be individually copied, so too could the individual constitute parts of the Hebrew cannon.
But the other thing is that we have examples of less-than-professional early texts (for example that lack majuscule lettering) of the New Testament, showing there was indeed a need and use of "personal copies".
So the Catholic church refused people the use of the Bible in its original languages, and also refused access to English translations. The only version authorised by the RCC was the Latin Vulgate. And they enforced this brutally - copies of the Tyndale Bible were burned, and William Tyndale was strangled and then burned on a stake. After being defrocked that is, which brings me nicely back to my point that even the church clergy were not allowed to read the bible in its original language - they were to use the Vulgate. This was formally delcared at the Council of Trent in the mid 16th century.
Even that section of text that you quoted has horrific examples of inhumanity in it:
- "The pontiff feared that the reading of the Bible in the vernacular would lead to irreverence and wrong interpretation"
- "In 1199 the pope replied that in general the desire to read the Scriptures was praiseworthy, but that the practice was dangerous for the simple and unlearned"
- "According to the third rule, the Old Testament may be read in the vernacular [only] by pious and learned men [...] as a help to the better understanding of the Vulgate."
- "The fourth rule places in the hands of the bishop or the inquisitor the power of allowing the reading of the New Testament in the vernacular to laymen who according to the judgment of their confessor or their pastor can profit by this practice."
- "henceforth the laity may read vernacular versions of the Scriptures, if they be either approved by the Holy See, or provided with notes taken from the writings of the Fathers or of learned Catholic authors."
So long-story short, the RCC shackled the original Biblical texts as much as they could, even issuing a decree that the "Vulgate" is the authorised version of the Bible so that their doctrines wouldn't be threatened by people reading the original texts.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke