To Padraic and Ziggystardust,
As i already stated, i do not want to CONTROL anyone's speech. However i am certainly in my right to express my opinion about something i find idiotic and useless. That post was merely an example to show what i think is contributing to give atheists the "condescending douchebags" stereotype, which is why i condemned it.
And i am in my right to say how i think people SHOULD behave. I do not force anyone to accept my standards, i merely state those standards and my reasons for having those standards.
If our goal is to comfort ourselves and tell ourselves we are superior and theists are stoopid, then yeah these statements are alright. But if our aim is (and i know mine is) to actually have a rational discourse to convince people to accept our ideas, then this is simply the wrong way to go.
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To Ryft,
All i can say is that i cannot agree more ^^
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To Reverendjeremiah
That is the kind of rethoric i do not agree with: taglines like "fascist" only make dialogue harder. Again, if you consider the one you speak to to be a fascist, it's pretty likely that you are not going to listen to anything they have to say.
Also, the ones who make the news are always the most extreme ones. So judging a whole group of people by its most extreme members is wrong.
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Both of these networks are appealing to a demographic in order to make profits. Both of them have a rhetoric to dispense and a way to dispense it. In that way there is NO difference between them. But since Fox has a strong Christian tendency, its rhetoric appears more biased.
But if you look at left-wing pundits like Bill Maher (whom i otherwise love), or Chris Matthews (who lost all my respect after a debate with Chris Hitchens) or Keith Oibermann (who is insane...)....no one is free of blame.
Just taking the example of the Tea Party: the vast majority of these people were calm, rational people actually worried about their country, but both Fox and the more left-wing networks twisted them to fit what they wanted people to see. It's just sad and insulting.
As i already stated, i do not want to CONTROL anyone's speech. However i am certainly in my right to express my opinion about something i find idiotic and useless. That post was merely an example to show what i think is contributing to give atheists the "condescending douchebags" stereotype, which is why i condemned it.
And i am in my right to say how i think people SHOULD behave. I do not force anyone to accept my standards, i merely state those standards and my reasons for having those standards.
If our goal is to comfort ourselves and tell ourselves we are superior and theists are stoopid, then yeah these statements are alright. But if our aim is (and i know mine is) to actually have a rational discourse to convince people to accept our ideas, then this is simply the wrong way to go.
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To Ryft,
All i can say is that i cannot agree more ^^
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To Reverendjeremiah
Quote:But you must admit there is a fascist element in many of the uber conservative Christians. I call them "Christian Nationalists". They scream "Christian Nation" all the time. Those are the ones I dispise.
That is the kind of rethoric i do not agree with: taglines like "fascist" only make dialogue harder. Again, if you consider the one you speak to to be a fascist, it's pretty likely that you are not going to listen to anything they have to say.
Also, the ones who make the news are always the most extreme ones. So judging a whole group of people by its most extreme members is wrong.
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Quote:There is no comparison at all between MSNBC and FOX. MSNBC makes it clear that they are giving you THEIR opinions. FOX acts like the have the word of fucking god to dispense.
Both of these networks are appealing to a demographic in order to make profits. Both of them have a rhetoric to dispense and a way to dispense it. In that way there is NO difference between them. But since Fox has a strong Christian tendency, its rhetoric appears more biased.
But if you look at left-wing pundits like Bill Maher (whom i otherwise love), or Chris Matthews (who lost all my respect after a debate with Chris Hitchens) or Keith Oibermann (who is insane...)....no one is free of blame.
Just taking the example of the Tea Party: the vast majority of these people were calm, rational people actually worried about their country, but both Fox and the more left-wing networks twisted them to fit what they wanted people to see. It's just sad and insulting.
