(February 17, 2016 at 7:24 pm)scoobysnack Wrote:(February 17, 2016 at 1:28 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: No, the issue is far simpler than that. No one has the right to force another to do with their body something they don't wish to do. That's why you don't see the people being forced against their will to give up a kidney or part of their liver (even after they're dead) when they're a good match for someone on one of the recipient lists. It's why you don't see people in renal failure hooked up to the kidneys of another person who's a tissue match. Bodily autonomy is a really big deal and making abortion illegal would essentially say that the government has more right over your body than you do.
Is that a precedent you really want set?
Planned parenthood is not all bad, as they do also offer other services for women's health. And honestly, it's a far safer place for a women to get an abortion if she chooses than some shady place with unsanitary conditions and unregulated like existed decades ago. Some used to try to perform abortions themselves, using coat hangers.
Part of the problem is they are carrying another life in the womb, and what about the human rights of the unborn? Some say they are not humans, and therefore deserve no rights, which is a technique of dehumanization. Plus there is a demand by couples that can't have children to adopt new born babies. At the same time unwanted children don't usually grow up in the best environments, so some say it's better to eliminate that life to avoid them becoming a problem later in society. Some say it's a good way to eliminate future poor people that are burdens on society, especially in a collectivist society.
Bodily autonomy. It really doesn't matter if the "life in the womb" is considered human or not. The mother has the right to have it removed for the same reason you have the right to not donate a kidney or part of your liver. Some people simply don't want kids, don't want to deal with the changes to their bodies that result from pregnancy, use birth control and still wind up pregnant. At that point, if your dream of criminalizing abortion is ever attained, you will have to violate their right to bodily autonomy in order to force them to give birth.
Seriously, if you're so dead set against abortions, don't have one. But, please quit trying to tell others that they have to be incubators for something they never wanted in the first place. It's fucking rude.
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