RE: My views on objective morality
February 26, 2016 at 7:58 pm
(This post was last modified: February 26, 2016 at 7:59 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(February 26, 2016 at 7:47 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:(February 26, 2016 at 7:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Hmm I don't see how I'm doing that, as I feel I made myself very clear.
You are making yourself clear, just not in the way I think you mean to. You saying there is a concrete right and wrong, we just don't know what it is, but at the same time we are moving towards it--that's subjective morality.
I guess I just don't see how saying there is a concrete right and wrong can = subjective morality. I mean, that's what makes it *not* subjective in the first place.
And I never said we outright "don't know" what real right and wrongs are. I listed a few already - rape, theft, adultery, slavery, intentional killing of an innocent person. I 100% believe those are all objectively immoral. I believe anyone who thinks those things are moral are mistaken. Of course, there probably are other things we don't know are immoral yet, but that doesn't mean they aren't.
Quote:Especially if you cannot point to a reason why the direction we are moving is the right one. What if God's original plan was what he laid out in the OT? What if the Catholic Church had it right in the 15th Century?
What if the Catholic Church has it all wrong now, and the ultimate in morality is personal bodily autonomy?
When you define the ultimate objective morality as "I don't know what it is, but I know we're moving towards it"--then you've just cloaked subjective morality with a lot of hand waving.
This is more of a question of "why are you Catholic/why do you believe Catholicism is right." Not something I can ever put into words, since it literally involves my whole life and all my experiences/etc. The short answer is, given everything I've learned/seen/experienced, it makes sense to me.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh