Richard Dawkins suffers stroke.

[Sterben]

         Thanks, I try to my best to be a fair minded Atheist. Has long as your views are not harming a other persons well being, stick to your guns. If you say to a parent who's child is really sick that you don't need hospital. Your views are hurting someone then. I'll play devils advocate on self here for bit, let's say there is a god. He or she is not going to have the ability to do everything to help. If you were to apply logic to this problem, modern medical care would be a gift of man to mankind and not a gift a from god. He or she be a terrible god if the tribe had no self reliance, right? Would it be right for that child to suffer cause of parents think that a god is going to help there child get better?... Now, on to my view. When I was younger and first became an Atheist. I was pissed off about how much I missed out on cause of a flawed system. All those years of being a child and fearing the teachings of a system that by commuting those actions had little to no punishments. Then learning the real history of how much harm that religion has caused through out human history. I wanted to bring down the whole system that had enslaved entire populations for centuries and punished those who challenged that system. I then became more educated and realized that this system will never be brought down fully.


          I wish there was more chill religious people like you in society. Were getting there though, the hardliners are starting to die out and the new generations are taking control of a outdated system and bring it up to a new version. I'm just waiting the pope to bring a other fashion that has been around for way to long to an end. The Pro-life movement needs to finally come to an end, I'm growing tired this argument that is like a cold that keeps coming back. Atheist or Religious you can't argue with math on this one. There is way to many people on this planet and something needs to be done. There's no reason for big families to be created, when you get over four kids your getting greedy on the resources. Right Scoobysnack?

I disagree with your point on the pro-life movement. I posted a bunch of stuff in the planned parenthood thread here that exposes it as an offshoot of the eugenics movement from a hundred plus years ago. Check out my post here which has a link to the US government document National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM 200) Implications of Worldwide Population Growth

Here's the link directly to the post: http://atheistforums.org/thread-34693-po...pid1209038

Part of the problem with falling fertility rates is that if you have less people entering the workforce then are retiring, it results in the collapse of economies. They have to remain at least stable. In fact it's one reason governments support immigration is because the native population are not having kids, and over time they need people to come in to fill the positions needed to keep economies going. When doing the math we need to have 2.11 fertility rate just to keep things stable. Once you go below that everything starts collapsing, and the lower you go, it's impossible to reverse. This is an interesting short video talking about if you get below a fertility rate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weWgnOimfnA

Then there is the guy just hired by the pope in the vatican who thinks the world is over populated by 6 billion people:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...any-of-us/

There are methods already in place to soft kill us, but if they decide to start the hard kill measures, watch out.

            I'm aware of the fertility rates are dropping down into record lows, on the other hand though the growing slogan is that children are not for me is becoming more popular.  When you looks at the cost of raising just one child in a proper fashion is very costly. Private schools/home schooling, food and medical care, entertainment, and other issues the arise average's about 2.5 million dollars per child. How is a couple or single parent expected to pay for such a life long commitment? The smaller percentage of those who even want to have children can not afford them. The anti-child movement is growing in numbers at a rate no one would of predicted. Women at rising rate are getting there tubes tied at earlier ages, men in there 20's are getting Vasectomy's at higher rates as well. I've known a couple of co-workers without kids who got the operation done and there barely in there early 20's. I know it's not direct evidence, but it you take the growing trends of permanent solutions in birth control of this generation you see why the drop in fertility rates is happening. Can you blame people for not wanting children? I understand that something needs to be done about the rates, but if you can't raise a child properly all your producing is a higher chance for the child to be in prison.


            Let's try to work up a solution for this problem. We has a society need to make having children more affordable, the costs are just to damn high! People need to have less children per family unit so that way better quality can be achieved. If you start with these two issues it would bring the rates up a slight bit.