RE: My views on objective morality
February 29, 2016 at 2:37 am
(This post was last modified: February 29, 2016 at 2:38 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(February 29, 2016 at 1:00 am)MysticKnight Wrote:Quote:But how do you know that what you do believe is true, given the fact that you don't have a metric for it?
The metric is divine light from light of God, eternal light mixed with light of time, the name of God, the concept is explained via allegory of the face of God in the Bible.
That's no metric for an objective morality, given that perception is itself subjective. You must interpret allegory, you must decide whether the "divine light" (whatever that is) is actually divine or simply extraordinary activity in your left parietal lobe, and whatever you mean by "eternal light mixed with the light of time" -- which is clearly a subjective metric on its own, given the vagueness of such terminology.
(February 29, 2016 at 1:00 am)MysticKnight Wrote:Quote:How do you know that what you think is free will is free will?
Through direct experience of free-will of oneself, vision of the soul, and vision of God.
[Emphasis added -- Thump]
In other words through subjective means.
(February 29, 2016 at 1:00 am)MysticKnight Wrote:Quote:How do you know that what you regard as moral behavior stems from your god?
Through God's Name/light/face and the divine link between morality and God, he is the light of all light, the blessed one in the blessings through his name/face.
That doesn't answer my question at all. How do you know that?
Additionally, I have taken the liberty of empahsizing where you are engaged in circular reasoning.
(February 29, 2016 at 1:00 am)MysticKnight Wrote:Quote:If all you have to go on is faith, well then you're essentially saying that morality is subjective.
This depends on how you define faith.
No. The pertinent denotation in this context, from the OED, is:
the OED Wrote:2 Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
That is inherently a subjective state of mind. This means that if your morality is based solely on your faith, which is not shared by the majority of people the world over, your morality is itself inherently subjective.
(February 29, 2016 at 1:00 am)MysticKnight Wrote:Quote:But the fact is that it doesn't make sense to the majority of the people in the world, and while you're here expounding it, you cannot explain why anyone else should believe as you do. How is that not, in its very essence, subjective?
Most of the world believes in the supernatural spiritual nature of morality and most believe that it's ultimate origin is the Creator of the universe, the Great Spirit, God.
So what? Most of the world at one time believed that the Sun orbited the Earth. Subjectively, that seems true, but objectively it is false.
Also, appealing to the beliefs of any majority is ipso facto appealing to subjectivity. When we are talking about objective morality, we are talking about an ethical-moral system which is provable without appeal to human perceptions. Nothing you have written here -- nothing -- does not at one point or another eschew such an appeal.
(February 29, 2016 at 1:00 am)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't know what you guys are referring to the Bible, so I won't get into it.
The acts attributed to her god which defy the morality espoused by her god in that selfsame book are the referents.