RE: My views on objective morality
February 29, 2016 at 11:22 am
(This post was last modified: February 29, 2016 at 11:30 am by God of Mr. Hanky.)
(February 28, 2016 at 11:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I did not realize that me believing that morality is objective was a particularly "sensitive" topic... at least not any more than the usual sensitivity of theism vs atheism. It's not like I was talking about abortion or something.
And my response wasn't dismissive AT ALL. I would have responded the exact same way regardless of whether or not the TV was on, because it is my honest answer. It's my only answer. Only thing is I had to edit it a few times before getting the grammar/etc how I wanted.
You were talking about an all-encompassing moral code which includes some ideas on abortion which are considered by many who are not as fortunate as you are (happily married and probably not financially struggling) to be oppressive and invasive. With respect, CL, we know that's what "objective morality" is to you, and you cannot pretend otherwise.
You seem to believe that the Catholic OM works for you, but this just isn't so for everyone. Another example of OM is North Korea, where the Dear Ruler is essentially a god, and other theocracies, however their OMs are defined. Yes, OM really is that dangerous, and it is only through the consensus of majority that such abuses can be held in check. Objective morality is tyrannical, while morality by consensus is democratic. I may be talking about government, and perhaps you were not, but the point remains the same - any serious deviation from majority moral consensus will be dealt with appropriately in a government which is democratic. Objective morality, on the other hand, leads to theocracy, which is the antithesis of democracy.
The only reason why Catholics in the US are not burning people at the stake for abortions today is that their objective morality is not accepted by all, and the US Constitution prohibits them from forcing it on all of us. I know you don't believe this, and that is because your understanding of human nature is so casual, but history has proven this true over and over again, and there's really nothing fundamentally different about the people who commit similar atrocities right now in the Middle East.
Morality is the basis for social policies and law, and when only one person's opinion counts, that is objective morality - this can only create a frightfully dangerous condition, which is nothing that any decent culture needs!
EDIT: Oh, but of course the problem always boils down to a failure to follow the correct objective morality, whichever that one really is, and then howcum when it comes directly from the bible that they never seem to get even that one right? Hmmmm....this is only one good reason to allow social consensus and a democratic political system to balance out the errors!
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