RE: My views on objective morality
March 4, 2016 at 3:42 pm
(This post was last modified: March 4, 2016 at 3:48 pm by Kiekeben.)
(March 4, 2016 at 2:11 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(March 4, 2016 at 2:02 pm)Kiekeben Wrote: If I understand you correctly, you are saying that because God created the moral laws, whatever he decrees is true by definition. Is that it? But if so, do you believe that if God had said that torturing babies for fun is good, it would be good?
And this is where most Christians will say "God would never think that was morally right," which is really just the Christian saying they, themselves, could never find torturing babies morally right. But they must project their beliefs onto God in order to maintain some sense of internal consistency they can be comfortable with.
Yes, most say that, but I'm hoping Catholic Lady will be one of the few who realizes that's not a valid response. Just in case she doesn't, however, let me clarify: I'm not suggesting the God she believes in would think it's right; for purposes of this discussion, I'll happily grant that God would never condone baby torture. What I'm asking, however, is what her response would be if God said it was right.
(March 4, 2016 at 10:39 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(March 4, 2016 at 10:28 am)robvalue Wrote: I have no idea what it means that something "is immoral" even if everyone thinks it isn't.
How does that have any bearing on reality? Immoral according to who, or what?
How does morality make any sense independent of a point of view? A neutral universe doesn't care what happens.
I see where you're coming from, Rob. From an atheists perspective, believing that anything can be objectively immoral makes 0 sense. Believing in a higher power certainly goes hand in hand with objective morality.
I don't believe moral principles are objective, but that has nothing to do with my atheism. Lots of atheists believe in objective morality. And whether there is a God or not doesn't seem to make any difference to the status of moral principles, as far as I can tell.