All we're doing is kicking around The Problem of Evil, possibly the most-discussed religious philosophy issue. Why, I've never quite figured out.
With respect to those who have been harmed, I don't see it (presuming that this being called "God" exists) as necessarily so that God must intervene in the world in order to be called all-powerful or good. It's a projection of our own desires onto this Being, which is the same mistake we constantly point out to the theists, when they do it in the other direction.
Even if we could say that the only way this Being could be Good/Omniscient/Omnipotent at the same time, I don't see how it follows that He must intevene in this world on that level. I'm sorry, I just don't.
It's why I am a Humanist. I think these issues are ours to fix/mitigate. Perhaps "God" is also a Humanist, in that respect. I don't know... but I DO know that it's not C_L's fault that the Deity is no longer an interventionist.
With respect to those who have been harmed, I don't see it (presuming that this being called "God" exists) as necessarily so that God must intervene in the world in order to be called all-powerful or good. It's a projection of our own desires onto this Being, which is the same mistake we constantly point out to the theists, when they do it in the other direction.
Even if we could say that the only way this Being could be Good/Omniscient/Omnipotent at the same time, I don't see how it follows that He must intevene in this world on that level. I'm sorry, I just don't.
It's why I am a Humanist. I think these issues are ours to fix/mitigate. Perhaps "God" is also a Humanist, in that respect. I don't know... but I DO know that it's not C_L's fault that the Deity is no longer an interventionist.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
