My views on objective morality
March 8, 2016 at 9:40 pm
(This post was last modified: March 8, 2016 at 9:47 pm by LadyForCamus.)
(March 8, 2016 at 7:25 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: All we're doing is kicking around The Problem of Evil, possibly the most-discussed religious philosophy issue. Why, I've never quite figured out.
With respect to those who have been harmed, I don't see it (presuming that this being called "God" exists) as necessarily so that God must intervene in the world in order to be called all-powerful or good. It's a projection of our own desires onto this Being, which is the same mistake we constantly point out to the theists, when they do it in the other direction.
Even if we could say that the only way this Being could be Good/Omniscient/Omnipotent at the same time, I don't see how it follows that He must intevene in this world on that level. I'm sorry, I just don't.
It's why I am a Humanist. I think these issues are ours to fix/mitigate. Perhaps "God" is also a Humanist, in that respect. I don't know... but I DO know that it's not C_L's fault that the Deity is no longer an interventionist.
But look, the subject of this thread was objective morality. The assertion being that certain acts are objectively good or objectively bad, and the insinuation being (though not in all cases, but in this case, yes) that these morals are handed down from God. I don't think we are are being unreasonable in questioning CL's logic here, regardless of whether or not we actually believe in this God. And those of us who don't believe morality is objective would still expect any all-powerful, all-good creator to protect and care for his creations with the same love and empathy that any emotionally healthy human would.
Let me be clear. CL - I think you are a good person. I do not think that you condone rape. I actually like you very much.
However, when you make special exceptions in your mind for God; exceptions you would NEVER make for any person who lives on earth; for acts that under NO OTHER circumstance you'd ever think it was okay not to intervene...this is like taking a mental/emotional fire-escape out of the hot flames of rational thought. And it can be very quickly misinterpreted.
On a personal note, rape is a touchy subject for me, and maybe I reacted angrily. Maybe I projected onto you when you didn't deserve it. For that, I'm sorry. I do like you very much. I just don't understand why you guys give this asshole so many free passes. I'm so glad he doesn't actually exist...
P.s. I've had a few beers so if none of this makes sense feel free to ignore it, and I'll have another go at it tomorrow.
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