(March 8, 2016 at 9:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(March 8, 2016 at 9:25 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: CL, I know you're a good person, but do you worship the god which allows rape to happen and go unpunished, or don't you?
You keep on making that excuse that God shouldn't be expected to "micromanage the world", but he does in fact have all that power, and in fact the doctrine you follow is that he is everywhere in it, and able to change anything with just a word. Now if I were in that alley where somebody was raped, and I did absolutely nothing, then I could be held as an accessory to that crime! Therefore, CL, I must ask you, and I think you really need to answer this: why in sacred fuck do you think your god, with all his power, should be held to a lesser degree of responsibility than an ordinary human? Because this is, no buts, exactly what you are doing.
I'm gonna say this one more time, and this goes to everyone.
I believe God allows nature to take its course. I believe He allows people to have free will. He let's things happen as they would, naturally.
He does not resort to divine intervention to micromanage the world.
From that, there are good and bad consequences. One of the bad consequences is rape. However, I trust God to know that the good consequences of His decision to give us free will and to not be a micromanager, outweigh the bad consequences of it. Im not saying the bad consequences aren't bad. I'm not saying rape, specifically, has good consequences. I'm saying I trust that the good consequences in general, of giving us free will, in general... of not resorting to divine intervention, of letting nature take its course, etc, etc, outweigh the bad.
What are the "good consequences?" That I do not know. I'm just a little human, living in a tiny section of the universe, for a tiny amount of time. I'm not God. I can't see everything.
Also, I believe that if God did become human like us He would stop a rape if it came to it. After all, He did stop the stoning of an adulteress. But He is not human right now. And stopping bad things from happening would require divine intervention, taking away free will, micromanaging. Which are all things that He, for whatever reason that we can't see right now, has deemed would do more harm than good in the grand scheme of things. (Also, I never said rape goes unpunished so I'm not sure where that straw came from.)
So, that's it. That's all there is to it. You may not like it, but at this point I honestly don't give a fuck. It's your decision whether you choose to accept my differences and still be cool with me, as I accept yours, or not. But there is nothing else I can say on the subject that hasn't already been said. So take it or leave it.
I'm sorry, but what "free will" are you talking about? I didn't choose to be born, or suffer this life. Also I'd like to add that as far as I've seen in response to your posts on this subject matter--you've gotten quite an understanding response. I'm still reviewing this thread, so, don't quote me on it--but, I don't believe you should take in any way personally, how others have reacted to your claims. I've seen far worse, as a matter of fact, and have yet to see anyone flame you [personally] but rather your beliefs-- which is typically what happens when you say "my god condones and even spells out instructions on rape but he has reasons therefore I'm ok with it". And you did make claims, and as far as I've seen, you've gotten par le course responses on said claims. You aren't the first, believe it or not, to "be a nice person" (I'll take that claim others have made since they're the ones arguing against your standpoint) and still be on the wrong side of things. See we aren't the ones making claims that there is a god or that he is complacent in what happens on this planet, or that the bible is the living word of god. You are. If people are getting heated on the subject, it's because it's a very personal subject and claim! You may or may not be speaking to victims of abuse, under the guise of god, and literally waving off their torment as "lesser than the bigger picture".
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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