RE: My views on objective morality
March 9, 2016 at 12:33 am
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2016 at 12:35 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(March 8, 2016 at 10:49 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(March 8, 2016 at 10:36 pm)God of Mr. Hanky Wrote: I don't want you to say anything, CL, and I hope you won't hold a grudge against me for pointing out the problems in your arguments (remember, you started this thread to argue that your god is moral). I want you to apply some actual thought to the doctrine-based ideas through which you evaluate this world and the people in it without any special pleading. If God is what you believe he is, then he should be enough of a big boy that he would not take offense at being held to the same standards of evaluation which you would hold me, or any human to. If anything, the standards for a god should be more stringent, not less!
Yes, please, let's all remember the subject of this thread before people start getting their feelings hurt. I have no desire to burn bridges with anyone here especially so soon after becoming a member, and while I'm nowhere near perfect, I'm also not going to just concede to a fallacious argument because I don't want that person to be mad at me.
I'm not going to apologize for "getting my feelings hurt" over continuously being accused of defending rape, torture, murder, etc, by people who I previously considered friends on here.
There's no reason why a person shouldn't be able to say "Ok, you know what CL, I obviously don't agree with your views. And they make 0 sense to me. But if you're telling me that you don't defend rape, torture, murder, etc etc, then I will take your word for it and not continue to accuse you of it, even if I don't understand or agree with how you worked it out in your mind." Other atheists on here have done that (thank you whatevereist, Ryantology, and Mister Agenda), so it's not impossible to do.
Personally, I don't understand how any of you can say raping children, for example, is morally subjective and just a matter of opinion. It makes no sense to me for someone to say rape is not objectively immoral, and then to say they are 100% against rape in all circumstances. But when almost all of you told me exactly that in the beginning of this thread, I took your word for it. I didn't/don't understand or agree with how you worked that out in our heads, but if in your hearts you are 100% against rape despite thinking it is only subjectively immoral, then that's all that matters to me. And I respect you enough to take your word for it, and I would never accuse you of something as vile as defending it.
The fact that you can't do the same in return on this particular issue, is not something I can reconcile with. Many things I can, and do, but not this. Perhaps you don't understand how offensive and patronizing it is to be accused of defending something as awful as rape, simply because the person throwing the accusation doesn't agree with or understand how you came to that conclusion.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh