Morality can be universally agreed upon, and still not be objective. There doesn't even need to be an example where you'd think something would be 'right' for it to be subjective.
I can hardly imagine a scenario where I'd think that child rape was moral. I'm sure most people here can agree to that. But that doesn't make it objective. It's still subjective. In a world where pain and torment are valued, then child rape would be considered moral. Of course we would find such a world immoral. They might find acts of kindness immoral.
Morals are ever changing and evolving. What we think of as immoral today may not be considered immoral 1000 years from now.
Morality is subjective, but that doesn't mean we can't agree that certain things are (from our point of view) never acceptable. Even religious morality is subjective. If there were objective morality then I think that we'd see a much different world (God or no God). Most people would agree on moral values. It wouldn't need to evolve because most people could see for themselves that something is objectively wrong. It would be a fact. I don't think God's existence suddenly would make morality objective. Christian Morality would then just be subjective to his will. But it would still be subjective.
One set of morals can be better than another, but it's still subjectively better. Each individual would have different preferences. That's why we have such different morals between different cultures. Maybe there's an ideal culture that we don't have, but I imagine each person's ideal would be different and what they consider moral and immoral are different.
I can hardly imagine a scenario where I'd think that child rape was moral. I'm sure most people here can agree to that. But that doesn't make it objective. It's still subjective. In a world where pain and torment are valued, then child rape would be considered moral. Of course we would find such a world immoral. They might find acts of kindness immoral.
Morals are ever changing and evolving. What we think of as immoral today may not be considered immoral 1000 years from now.
Morality is subjective, but that doesn't mean we can't agree that certain things are (from our point of view) never acceptable. Even religious morality is subjective. If there were objective morality then I think that we'd see a much different world (God or no God). Most people would agree on moral values. It wouldn't need to evolve because most people could see for themselves that something is objectively wrong. It would be a fact. I don't think God's existence suddenly would make morality objective. Christian Morality would then just be subjective to his will. But it would still be subjective.
One set of morals can be better than another, but it's still subjectively better. Each individual would have different preferences. That's why we have such different morals between different cultures. Maybe there's an ideal culture that we don't have, but I imagine each person's ideal would be different and what they consider moral and immoral are different.
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton