(March 9, 2016 at 11:46 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:bennyboy Wrote:No.
You might BELIEVE it. But you don't get to say it's "logical to me." Either it is logical or it isn't. And it isn't. And to be blunt, if you can't see the logical inconsistencies in your religion, you are (at least in this area of your life) not thinking logically.
The idea of an all-knowing, all-loving God who allows child rape isn't logical, because as YOU YOURSELF have repeatedly stated, child rape is objectively evil. If there is good in it, like the child's rape will somehow allow God to keep the Earth from falling into the sun or something, then it is in fact NOT objectively evil. If rape is, in fact, objectively evil, and God allows rape, then God is failing to remove evil from the universe, and is doing so deliberately. Such a God cannot be called good. Therefore, one of the following must be true: 1) morality is not objective; 2) God is not good.
I'd mention, by the way, that your religious ideas aren't consistent with either the Catholic faith, or the Bible, or with any mainstream religious tradition. I get the sense that you haven't studied the Bible or any academic arguments, and that instead you focus on a couple religious ideas that make you feel warm and fuzzy-- while ignoring 99% of the doctrines of your religion. Again, we are back to you being a generally good person, and IDENTIFYING with an institution which you cannot actually fully support (since you haven't worked to fully understand it). Am I wrong about this?
Even with objective morality, it is possible to have conditions in which you can't have one good without allowing a greater evil. That is the position CL thinks God is in, if I'm understanding her right. I'm pretty sure the Catholic version of God's omnipotence doesn't include overcoming paradoxes. God can't make a square a circle without making it 'not a square'. I'm sure CL accepts the leg of theodicy that says God is omnibenevolent, probably the 'maximally benevolent' version. It therefore follows that God cannot, due to his nature, do anything in a given situation that is not the maximally benevolent thing. That means in every situation where it might appear that God is not doing so, it is because we do not have all the information; which God, in his omniscience, does.
Read what you just quoted me saying. CL has claimed that rape is objectively evil. However, CL and you are implying that there are some cases where allowing a rape is necessary because it serves the greater good. So in that case, rape is in fact NOT objectively evil: it would be evil not to allow the rape.
