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Ths Islamic State: IS
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RE: Ths Islamic State: IS
(March 7, 2016 at 3:45 am)paulpablo Wrote: Atlass I think you have the idea of the story mixed up.  The story says eating from the tree caused their nakedness to be apparent to them.  Not that the eating of the tree actually caused their private parts to be exposed, they already were exposed, the tree gave them knowledge of it then they used leaves to cover themselves.
Also it really isn't possible, not one part of the story.  I mean, the original story was bullshit enough but with your mixed up version of the bullshit story it's difficult to know where to begin to correct it.

I chose the explanation based on the syntax of a verse, and the context of the scenario.

 Quoting the verse:

(Sura 7 Verse 27 )   O children of Adam, let not Satan tempt you as he removed your parents from Paradise, stripping them of their clothing to show them their private parts. Indeed, he sees you, he and his tribe, from where you do not see them. Indeed, We have made the devils allies to those who do not believe.

One can argue that the stripping mentioned is "spiritual/non-physical", but I believe it was physical, it makes more sense that way.

Rhythm

Ah, no, ancient Muslims weren't Bedouins, actually the "raiding bedouns" were a source of problems in general; they're even mentioned in the Quran -you never saw the verse before-?

( Sura 9 Verse 97 )   The bedouins are stronger in disbelief and hypocrisy and more likely not to know the limits of what [laws] Allah has revealed to His Messenger. And Allah is Knowing and Wise.

( 98 )   And among the bedouins are some who consider what they spend as a loss and await for you turns of misfortune. Upon them will be a misfortune of evil. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
( 99 )   But among the bedouins are some who believe in Allah and the Last Day and consider what they spend as means of nearness to Allah and of [obtaining] invocations of the Messenger. Unquestionably, it is a means of nearness for them. Allah will admit them to His mercy. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. 

It's a common mistake to fall into the "racist, ignorant narrative" that of Indiana Jones. Anyhow, historical & racial accuracy is a very important thing, but you seem to lack it.

MrNoMorePropaganda

Quote:If somebody comes to my door telling me that, I would even take up arms; I will do whatever it takes to oppose them. That's very arrogant of the Quran. And  I will not live under Quran. Same for any other ancient book. This is not negotiable. I don't know how brave I'd actually be on the battlefield, but I know that I'd want to defend my livelihood and protect others.



If they will kill me, that's fine. It'll be better than living under them on this cursed Earth. I want to be free to live without the specter religion. But by doing foolish oppression they'd be going against the Quran anyway. I doubt my blood will remind them. So I would urge anyone to rise up and fight this so that we may win. Fly the white flag of surrender we will not.



Does Allah order humans to not do the things you listed because they are bad or because it was decided that they were bad? If those things are bad because they are morally bad then that means morality is external to Allah and we don't need Allah to tell us what to do or not do. However, if Allah is deciding which thing are moral and which are not then morality is just Allah's desires.


Allah is a massive hypocrite either way. Try telling all of those innocent and slaughtered Egyptian babies that Moses was the good guy. They go up to meet Allah and Allah is like "sorry I killed you, but I had to kill you else the Pharaoh wouldn't listen to me." What happened to their free will?

? Take up arms ?
Why MNMP? it's only an advice; Islam cannot be compulsivly forced after all, I made that clear when I quoted "verse 256. sura 2", but it seems that this story can make us both relate:


( Sura 44 Verse 19 )   And [saying], "Be not haughty with Allah. Indeed, I have come to you with clear authority.

( 20 )   And indeed, I have sought refuge in my Lord and your Lord, lest you stone me.

( 21 )   But if you do not believe me, then leave me alone."
( 22 )   And [finally] he called to his Lord that these were a criminal people.

Just like you, they took arms, and wanted to meet words with steel..that's not just.

Why do you always assume evil?  
History does indeed repeat itself:

(Sura 27 Verse 45 )   And We had certainly sent to Thamud their brother Salih, [saying], "Worship Allah," and at once they were two parties conflicting.

( 46 )   He said, "O my people, why are you impatient for evil instead of good? Why do you not seek forgiveness of Allah that you may receive mercy?"

( 47 )   They said, "We consider you a bad omen, you and those with you." He said, "Your omen is with Allah. Rather, you are a people being tested."

( 48 )   And there were in the city nine family heads causing corruption in the land and not amending [its affairs].
( 49 )   They said, "Take a mutual oath by Allah that we will kill him by night, he and his family. Then we will say to his executor, 'We did not witness the destruction of his family, and indeed, we are truthful.' "

Why do you meet an advice, with a drawn sword?
If you don't like my message, leave me alone. 

Isn't that the same thing, LGBT community people, Zionists, Seculars, atheists and Christians ask for ?
After all, if you don't wanna believe, don't, but keep your guns out of it, just like I left mine out of it too.


Quote:So you don't care about evidence? Why do you accept things without evidence? I could believe in  without evidence, and you can't disprove it because you don't have evidence to the contrary.

I do think God is undeniable, so his word gotta be true. It wasn't denied so..innocent until proven wrong follows the a similar concept.
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Messages In This Thread
Ths Islamic State: IS - by WinterHold - March 5, 2016 at 12:15 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by FebruaryOfReason - March 5, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by ReptilianPeon - March 5, 2016 at 7:25 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by WinterHold - March 7, 2016 at 11:57 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by Minimalist - March 5, 2016 at 12:24 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by robvalue - March 5, 2016 at 12:47 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by The Grand Nudger - March 5, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by ReptilianPeon - March 5, 2016 at 7:17 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by brewer - March 5, 2016 at 7:39 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by Expired - March 5, 2016 at 7:43 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 5, 2016 at 10:18 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by robvalue - March 6, 2016 at 4:00 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by brewer - March 6, 2016 at 9:25 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by ignoramus - March 6, 2016 at 4:09 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by paulpablo - March 6, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by vodkafan - March 6, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 3:16 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by ErGingerbreadMandude - March 7, 2016 at 3:25 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by paulpablo - March 7, 2016 at 3:45 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by WinterHold - March 10, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by robvalue - March 7, 2016 at 11:59 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by The Grand Nudger - March 7, 2016 at 3:12 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by ReptilianPeon - March 7, 2016 at 4:04 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by paulpablo - March 10, 2016 at 4:08 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by WinterHold - March 10, 2016 at 6:00 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by paulpablo - March 10, 2016 at 2:24 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by WinterHold - March 13, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by ReptilianPeon - March 13, 2016 at 11:54 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by ReptilianPeon - March 10, 2016 at 6:52 am
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by WinterHold - March 10, 2016 at 1:01 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by ReptilianPeon - March 10, 2016 at 7:28 pm
RE: Ths Islamic State: IS - by The Grand Nudger - March 10, 2016 at 7:32 pm

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