The Issue of Islamic Conservatism

[Leonardo17]

I’ve just learned that the US president Donald Trump is willing to restart the F-35 negotiation with Turkey (or the East Roman Empire if we are to use a more current terminology):
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trum...37295.html
 
On one hand I am not saddened by this decision. As the world is being polarized once again after two or three decades of a multi-polar world, I see it as a good investment against Russian expansionism and potential Israeli hubris that is (according to me) set to rise even more in the coming decades.
 
Also it means that the Collective West is still willing to cooperate with us. And this in turn gives me hope on the future of Democracy in this country.
 
Still: Dealing with Islamic Conservatism is a big issue. Before the IRI, Iran used to be a close US ally in the region. Now they are a pariah state that is seeking to obtain atomic weapons.
 
So my position is that this is still a mistake. The Collective West is failing to act as a whole against autocrats. If Turkey (or any other nation – Hungary, Israel, Belarus etc.) is moving away from basic values like the rules of law and the respect of the freedom of expression, than democratic countries should stop dealing with these countries even if it is for some necessary short term benefits.
 
Of course the US itself is becoming a problematic country in these issues (freedom of expression, right of minorities, women’s rights, LGBTQ rights etc.) but I believe that previous generations understood this “It’s a matter of principle” kind of approach better than us. And I think this is going to be a huge issue if we are to overcome 21st century style autocrats and populists (like mr. Erdogan also known as Emperor Belisarius) 

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

^You really need to let go of this Byzantine nonsense.

Boru

[Ivan Denisovich]

West being willing to cooperate have no bearing on condition of democracy in country x as west was willing to deal with Russia that was rogue state long before current war, or supplying weapons to genocidal regime.

[The Grand Nudger]

The issue of islamic conservatism is that islam is pig shit, and conserving pig shit leads to pig shit outcomes. The rule of law and freedom of expression, the rights of minorities, women, and lgbtq people are all sideways with the principles of islam. There's no better version of islam that includes these things which is also, accurately, still islam. We will never overcome islamic autocrats until we have overcome islam, end of. The US can be as problematic as we like, and islam is still islam.