My views on objective morality

[Tiberius]

I can't believe you don't know I gave no reason for you to believe that. I know it's because you like CL, and sympathize with her because she appears to be so genuinely nice. I don't know her outside of this forum, but still I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt too, so to speak (I really have no reason to doubt her).

My personal reasons for liking C_L aside, I believe an outside observer to this thread would conclude that the treatment C_L was subjected to was unfair and uncalled for.

What I'm appealing for is that this site should not let personal prejudices get in the way of fair and open discourse when there's a disagreement between members. Some people got very rude with CL in this thread, and that's unfortunate, but passions escalate when somebody makes a position and then hides behind her ignorance while still maintaining that position. Anyone else who said what she did would be suspected of feigning ignorance, which I believe is what set others off, although that's hard to really believe of CL.

What I'm appealing for is that when someone says something that makes you think they support rape, which would be an overwhelmingly unlikely opinion to hold (most people do not support rape), instead of repeatedly bringing it up to them, calling them a rape apologist, saying they support rape, etc. even when they haven't actually said they do, why not ask them to clarify their position, or heck, just politely ask "but doesn't holding views X and Y mean you support rape?"

What's honestly more likely, that a Catholic woman supports rape, or that she either didn't explain her point well enough, or people confused what she was saying and read way too much into it. Occam's razor springs to mind here.

I do understand the above, and I believe my point still stands.

Then quite frankly, you don't understand my point.

Although I once lost it on CL over her stand on abortion early on, I don't recall ever calling her nor you a "racist", "a horrible person", and certainly not a wannabe member of the SS. I've told a few people here to "fuck off" when they got aggressive with their own shit, but I simply could not say that to one with CL's sweet disposition.

What is it with people not being able to read properly in this thread...I never said that you called me a racist or a member of the SS. I was referring to something that happened a good few years ago now, to myself (not C_L). The only reason I brought it up was because it's a good parallel with what happened here.

Her statements were supportive of a god who allows rape - now if you were to say that's OK for another human to do, then what, honestly, would it make you? I was just trying to explain that to her, as I think was the case with LFC.

Being supportive of a God who allows rape does not necessarily make you a supporter of rape, and there's a big difference between that and having the position that "oh, rape is OK for humans to do".

The problem seems to be that you are treating God as just another human, when in the Catholic faith, and indeed in pretty much all faiths, God is not human. As I've stated earlier in the thread, the usual Christian doctrine is that God allows rape not because he supports it, or even agrees with it, but because to prevent it would to go against free will.

All I'm asking of those who love CL is to keep it fair for everyone else here.

I fail to see who we're not? I'm not saying you can't discuss stuff, but discussions go nowhere if you don't actually read what the other person writes, and ask them for clarifications before deciding that you know their own position better than them.