My views on objective morality

[God of Mr. Hanky]

Me

Her statements were supportive of a god who allows rape - now if you were to say that's OK for another human to do, then what, honestly, would it make you? I was just trying to explain that to her, as I think was the case with LFC.

Being supportive of a God who allows rape does not necessarily make you a supporter of rape, and there's a big difference between that and having the position that "oh, rape is OK for humans to do".

Actually, I never really considered CL as having that position. The problem was with what she said, and she did repeat it so that that there could be no mistaking it, page after page after page. She and other Xtians just don't understand the very insensitive implications of what they say when they say that, and that's what I was trying to help point out to her! The problem is supporting a god who has all the power which is possible and impossible, but chooses to do nothing about a crime which he sits by and watches, in that very alley where the crime is happening, and probably beats off to it. When a human does that it's called being an accessory to the crime.

Tiberius

The problem seems to be that you are treating God as just another human, when in the Catholic faith, and indeed in pretty much all faiths, God is not human. As I've stated earlier in the thread, the usual Christian doctrine is that God allows rape not because he supports it, or even agrees with it, but because to prevent it would to go against free will.

God isn't just another human, and that's the whole point of the issue - he's supposed to be much, much better - therefore, why shouldn't we hold him to a much higher standard? Really!

I was there while CL was pressing that "Free Will" argument, as were Rob and Rhythm, whose names I invoke at this point only because they are two people who very probably read all that was said too, before they left. It's an extremely poor excuse being made for a god who is supposed to be the paragon of good. If we were standing face to face, and you looked at me square in the eye and told me you see nothing wrong with people seeing it that way just so that they can avoid having to give up on their god, then I could only conclude there's something wrong with you, for all that I'm certain you know as an atheist. We have our differences on ideas, being united neither by doctrine nor ideology, but that shit is simply cognitive! EDIT: Well, of course they have the right to speak their minds too, it just isn't good that anyone has a mind for such garbage.