I am tired of mental masturbation really. Nobody needs a religion to know it is wrong to physically harm others or steal from them. Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is in our evolution. Unfortunately BOTH work, so our collective morality is simple, seek to avoid harm to others as much as possible and and seek cooperation as much as possible. Everything outside that is politics, and when I say politics, that is every ideology that gets political, including religion and economic views, and no, sorry those ideas are HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE.
To view morality as set in stone is sick. If our species never questioned social norms our species never would have left the caves. It isn't that anyone is or should claim there is no right or wrong, that is not what anyone is arguing. But every action humans take have to be in the context of the individual and case by case.
But no, you don't need to believe in old books and myths to understand nobody likes being physically harmed and nobody likes living in fear of others. But unfortunately our species also evolved to be selfish and narcissistic and while that can lead to survival, it also leads ideas to get political, both religion and economic views, and that may help one group survive, it also pits one group against another.
No, it is NOT a call to end any religion or disagreements, that is impossible on a planet of 7 billion. But no, this argument of "objective" morality and "moral relativism" is not going to work. Harm is harm and pain is pain and nobody owns a patient on that but nobody should be able to hide behind it either to justify doing harm to others.
To view morality as set in stone is sick. If our species never questioned social norms our species never would have left the caves. It isn't that anyone is or should claim there is no right or wrong, that is not what anyone is arguing. But every action humans take have to be in the context of the individual and case by case.
But no, you don't need to believe in old books and myths to understand nobody likes being physically harmed and nobody likes living in fear of others. But unfortunately our species also evolved to be selfish and narcissistic and while that can lead to survival, it also leads ideas to get political, both religion and economic views, and that may help one group survive, it also pits one group against another.
No, it is NOT a call to end any religion or disagreements, that is impossible on a planet of 7 billion. But no, this argument of "objective" morality and "moral relativism" is not going to work. Harm is harm and pain is pain and nobody owns a patient on that but nobody should be able to hide behind it either to justify doing harm to others.
