(March 11, 2016 at 11:36 am)Ben Davis Wrote:(March 11, 2016 at 10:55 am)Huggy74 Wrote: First of all, provide an example of that ever producing loving children then you just might have a point...
Irrelevant. If you really think that the reason why someone might be loving doesn't matter, you can't differentiate between ethical/unethical methods. Your perspective on indoctrination must be ignored therefore on moral grounds because this is a moral question. Further, you can't differentiate between someone who is pretending to be loving in order to avoid an undesirable outcome and someone who is actually loving as you have no understanding of their motivations.
It IS relevant, show me any known unethical methods that result in making someone a "loving person". If they don't exist then your point is moot.
ponder this for a second:
"what if setting a child on fire makes them a loving person?". See how stupid that sounds?
So produce a plausible example then I'll take you seriously.