RE: My views on objective morality
March 11, 2016 at 12:58 pm
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2016 at 1:06 pm by Tiberius.)
(March 11, 2016 at 12:26 pm)robvalue Wrote: We already have incredibly limited will. I can do almost 0% of the things I could imagine doing. It just so happens that out of this pitiful selection, God choose such options as rape, murder and torture. If he's going to give such a tiny selection, why not make them nice things?
I think you really misunderstand what "will" is. It's the ability to choose between actions. Just because we can't fly doesn't mean we don't have free will; choosing to fly or not isn't a valid choice for humans, because both outcomes are the same (not flying).
The point is, if you have the physical ability to do something, and you can choose whether or not you actually do it, then you have free will.
Let's go over the rape example you gave:
Rape exists because humans have the physical ability to have sex. The free will part comes in when a human chooses to have sex with someone who doesn't want to have sex. The Christian argument is that God invented sex (as a means of procreation), but humans invented rape via their free will. God didn't design sex as a means for humans to rape; but sex is abused by humans in that way.
Would you blame a car manufacturer when a human uses their car to purposefully run someone over? No, of course you wouldn't. The car manufacturer designed the car so that people could use it to get from point A to point B quickly. They didn't design it for people to use as a weapon. If someone does use it as a weapon, that's on that person alone, not on the "designer".
The other examples (murder and torture) can be explained in the exact same way. Humans have the ability to die, thus murder is when a human chooses to kill another human. Humans have the ability to feel pain, thus torture is when a human chooses to cause pain to another human. God didn't design murder or torture; he designed the humans that could die and feel pain. The fact that murder and torture can happen has nothing to do with God, and everything to do with free will of humans.