RE: My views on objective morality
March 11, 2016 at 4:35 pm
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2016 at 4:37 pm by Tiberius.)
(March 11, 2016 at 4:16 pm)robvalue Wrote: False analogy though, my parents are extremely limited in power.
The analogy had nothing to do with power, it's about letting a person suffer so they learn. There were times when your parents did this even when it was completely in their power to stop you from making a mistake. That doesn't make them "cunts", it makes them good parents.
Quote:If suffering is necessary for happiness, that is a rule God created. He needn't have. If that's a rule he must abide by, he's not omni wotsit.
Happiness and suffering are intrinsically linked. That is to say, you cannot be 100% happy if you have any % of suffering, and likewise, if you have 100% suffering you cannot be any % happy. Or to put it another way, "happiness is the absence of suffering". One could argue that happiness and suffering are not two distinct things, but either end of an emotional spectrum.
Also, it's fallacious to say that any rule God creates for humans, he must also abide by. I don't see the logic in that argument.
Quote:False dichotomy. You can have free will with just non-suffering choices. If you can't, he's not omni-pumped up.
I disagree, at least to the extent that the difference in suffering is non-measurable. Given a number of choices, one will always result in some degree more suffering than the other(s), although I would say that it's not always obvious immediately (or indeed, may not be obvious for a long time) which one that is.
Again, this has nothing to do with God's free will or omnipotence, etc. This is an argument about the free will of humans. Humans inhabit a world which contains suffering; God does not inhabit this world; he exists in a place that is maximally happy.
