(March 12, 2016 at 12:11 pm)bennyboy Wrote:I think the case with God and his signs, is that God is manifestation of his signs and his signs are also manifestations of God. They have this double relationship.(March 12, 2016 at 9:17 am)MysticKnight Wrote: This is the thing. How do we define God? God means a being Worthy of Worship. This includes moral excellence, not just being ultra powerful.If we are defining God, then this is going to be a really short conversation. At best, we might discover what God is, but you don't get to make up circles, define the points, and then say everything proves everything else.
Quote:Part of the definition of God is whoever/whatever made morals possible or the only being which morals are possible through. It's not a poor part of the description of God and in fact also points to the totality of his names and aspects, and is one of God's all-beautiful names.
1. God is whoever/whatever caused morals to exist.
2. Morals exist
3. Therefore God is real.
This is almost for sure the worst logical argument I've ever seen.
The signs point to God precisely because God is what reveals them and manifests them.