RE: My views on objective morality
March 12, 2016 at 9:56 pm
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2016 at 10:15 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(March 12, 2016 at 8:44 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(March 12, 2016 at 6:49 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I don't know what we are compared to God.
The difference between a human parent running out to grab their toddler son off the street, and God changing things that would naturally happen, is that for God to do it would require divine intervention. And like Tibs said, you start getting into a slippery slope. Why didn't God stop the toddler from getting hit by a car? Why didn't God stop my brother from getting severe food poisoning last week? Why didn't God prevent me from stubbing my toe? If God were to prevent every negative thing that were about to happen, we wouldn't have free will anymore.
Nonsense. Preventing someone from stubbing their toe inhabits a different moral dimension than allowing them to die by your own inaction.
If you think otherwise, your moral values are not my cup of tea anyways.
Furthermore, what is the point of praying if divine intervention is off-limits? (I'm assuming you pray).
Sorry, by allowing your god a heartlessness and deadly disinterest that you'd castigate if you saw it in a human, you're demonstrating that your morality is subjective -- it changes according the the point-of-view of the moral actor.
I think the point is we'd always find something to complain about. If stubbing a toe was the worst thing that could happen to a person, we'd be talking about how horrible it was and why would God allow us to feel that sort of pain. Assuming God is real, we should humble ourselves and trust that God knows this setup (not intervening, giving us free will, etc) is the best setup for us in the long run, and it's good consequences will far outweigh the bad ones.
Honestly, I think the more valid form of praying is to pray for mental state. Like, to pray for strength to get through a rough time, etc. Not necessarily to pray for something that you want to have happen, or for miracles. That's how my mom taught me to pray. I do believe miracles do occur but they are not common.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh