(March 12, 2016 at 10:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:I have to agree with this. In the sense, every argument, makes use of some premises that can be disputed. And even those premises have arguments, they will have premises that can be disputed.(March 12, 2016 at 8:27 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: World's fastest proof of god:
P - If God didn't exist, nothing would exist.
P - The world exists.
C - God exists.
That wasn't meant to be proof of God. I've said repeatedly all over this forum that I do not believe there is proof of God that can be demonstrated.
The thing is I believe in the Ultimate Value thread, I showed a clear reminder.
At the end, all we can do is remind of signs of God or his light or our link to him. Arguments all make use of at least something linked to him.
The link can always be denied. People can deny their own selves as well. Their perpetual identity. The link of their actions to who they and their value.
They can deny so many things at the end of it all. I've even seen some people say yes things can come out of nothing, that is existence can appear out of non-existence.
We saw LadyCamus deny that in all possible worlds it has to be the case that it's impossible that it can be good for the Creator to torture an innocent being forever for no reason, no crime. We had no Atheist in that thread I discussed with her support this premise.
Yes you can deny everything that points to God. You can deny the very nature of who you are. You can deny everything you know about reality if you want.
There is no knock out argument in that sense. There is plenty of good arguments and reasons to believe in God if one wants to know sincerely.
