(March 11, 2016 at 6:52 pm)Pandæmonium Wrote: Still, I don't think anyone is suffering from the delusion that the west is perfect, just a million times better than anything else that most of the rest of the world has managed to produce (in terms of personal, political and indeed religious freedoms).
I don't know anyone in the west who would genuinely wish to live somewhere else in the world where they would have less freedoms than they have now.
Edit: sorry I've fixed your image above and it made me chuckle.
The thing that makes me object, is that the west got its peace of mind through messing up the countries of others. All backward dictators -across the Middle East- are supported by western countries; Saudi Arabia is one example.
Thanks for fixing the tags
Brian37 (from post #13 and up we go)
Throughout the Middle East, the natives have an acceptance issue. The culture is so rough, the more you dwell into the Arabian peninsula the more that this roughness increase; thankfully I grew up with lots of bruises, but I don't want to inflict pain on others, neither do I want to see people suppressed because of their faith.
That roughness though, crawled and found its way into religion; Sunni/Shia Islam are the "holly protection" that cover and shield the rough Middle Eastern culture, abusing others became a religion.
I began to understand that a lot of bigotry do come from religious people. I cannot deny that. Christians, Jews, Sunni Muslims, Shia Twelvers, does it matter? actually it's the same smell, same bigotry, same insults, same insanity.
Quote:Yes and no. Yes there is lots to be angry at bigots for, and every war America has been involved in since WW2 has been a stalemate and quagmire that really ends up doing nothing but wasting money and getting civilians and soldiers needlessly killed.
But it still does not justify the horrible interpretations of the Quran and Hadiths that have even Sunni's and Shiites killing each other.Two wrongs don't make a right, and again, between the east and the west, the west is still a much more open society with many more protections of minorities and free speech. No we are NOT perfect, but we also are not run on one sect of one religion.
It doesn't justify it; you are right.
What I'm trying to do in this forum, is to open people's eyes to the bigotry of both parties.
I suffered a lot from Sunnies/Wahhabies. I lost a lot. I'm young, but don't think I lived a normal "teenage" life or even a "normal childhood". But my torturer's had western protection at all times, if I ever revolt I get burned, the hand is Arabic, but the spear is western. So I ended up looking down upon both.
Sunnies & Shia -especially twelver shia- must be exposed. The bad folks in the west would never have had all this influence in the M.E, without the support and acceptance of the NATIVE BIGOTS.
Never did the mistake of one party, justify the atrocities of another.
MrNoMorePropaganda
Add the racism of "Levant Arabs" against dark skinned people to the list, actually Syrians, Lebanese and Palistinians -and truth be told- are one of the most racist societies against dark skinned people.
Quote:I t hink Atlas has every right to be angry. But this forum is the wrong place to vent that angry. Most people here are very educated on the issues and already know how bad, and hypocritical, the West, particularly the United States can be.
I do invest my time here, because many people here "ACTUALLY" think and read what is written; I do have a theory though, that the more we become distant from Islam, the more our world becomes a mess. I think it worth a display in front of critics.
robvalue
It makes me sleep at night, sometimes I feel isolated.
Thinking that there are different people is something I must learn to practice, even if it was so hard.
Rhythm
But the irony is that the Quran is truly the key to solve all humanity's social, psychological & political problems .
vorlon13
Conquest did happen and take place; but the rules of the game changed and nobody "occupies" land with infantry anymore. It's the age of capitalism, the wars America took were always economical, the real invasion was economical; thus virtual; thus it's so rare to find people who actually see it..
The type of conquest that makes a useless piece of paper ($) to dominate all currencies.
