My views on objective morality

[Mystic]

We are talking about the fact existence cannot come out of non-existence with no cause. In your example, existence simply changed with no cause and time began to apply to it. That is difference from there being nothing, and existence coming out of it after there being nothing.

How would we know that something can't come from nothing?  We've never been in a state of nothingness, but if there were such a time as when nothing existed, how would we know about it?  It's an assertion based on causality as it applies to creation ex materia, not an observation of what happens to nothingness.  Maybe something does come from nothing.  How would you know, with emphasis on the word 'know', that things were not such?

How would know it is different then if we know it. But the simple answer to this, is we been given some innate knowledge of existence through being linked to the existing. We know for example, God could not have came out of nothing. I hope you don't deny this. It's manifest, it's clear. 

However - if we are always going to say - well how do you know God could not have came from nothing? And one says "from God"? Then they say you assume God exists in all this so it's circular.

This is improper. The question is do we know these things.

Do I know that non-existence cannot be such that there be nothing at all, then absolute existence, God, absolute glory and beauty, just appears out of it from nothing.  Yes I do.

I care less if people say prove it. It's innate, and obvious to everyone.

That said many Atheists believe they know for certain existence could not have come out of nothing in the sense that nothing is total non-existence.

You should really ask them how they know. You already know what I believe is the source. This argument is useful to such Atheists as well.