RE: My views on objective morality
March 13, 2016 at 5:39 pm
(This post was last modified: March 13, 2016 at 5:39 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(March 13, 2016 at 1:23 pm)Esquilax Wrote:(March 12, 2016 at 10:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well we believe they come from God. We believe God established what is good and what is evil. To act in a way that is good is moral, to act in a way that is evil is immoral.
So your objective moral values, which don't depend on anyone's opinion to exist... in the end, depend on god's opinion to exist?
This is the Euthyphro Dilemma, and thus far no satisfactory answer has ever been given, but I can tweak it a little to better fit our discussion: if god decides what is and is not moral then it's just god's opinion, and no more objective than an actually subjective system of morality. If god doesn't decide what's moral, but merely relays to us a standard of morality that is beyond his ability to change, then that moral system has to come from somewhere and would be detectable sans god entirely... and until such time as we can detect it, we cannot rationally call it objective at all.
Either way, without a clear idea of how god derives his stated morality, not just what that morality is, there's no reason to call it objective.
Quote:How do I know? Same way I "know" God exists, if you will. It's what I believe and it makes sense to me.
That's just your opinion, though. I mean, that literally is just your opinion, only you've tarted it up- unjustifiably- in stronger language. You can say you "know" it all you like, but knowledge is demonstrated, it's based on repeatable, real world observations, and without any of those you're really doing nothing more than attempting to disguise a subjective moral view as an objective one using borrowed authority from a being we can't even establish to exist.
When I ask you how you know something, telling me that you think you know it doesn't answer the question. It just repeats the thing I needed clarification on in the first place.
Isn't this all stuff I have already addressed though??
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh