(March 13, 2016 at 5:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(March 13, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Subjectivity doesn't speak to the truth or falseness of a claim. It speaks to the basis of the claim, the epistemology of it.
Of course a subjective claim can be true. That doesn't mean it is any less subjective. In my subjective morality, murder is always wrong. That happens to coincide with your allegedly objective view. So clearly, you would agree that this subjective claim of mine is true, even though you might think I am right for the wrong reasons.
You seem to have this idea in your head that "subjective" automatically means "false". They aren't synonymous.
My understanding is that subjective means there is no right or wrong answer.
For example, I can say "the color pink is pretty"... that's subjective because it's an opinion. Other people can say pink is ugly, and they are not making an incorrect statement, assuming they actually think pink is ugly.
Or I can say "the earth is round"... that's objective because it is a fact. Other people can say the earth is flat, and they are making an incorrect statement by doing so. They can say all day long "the earth is flat, the earth is flat, the earth is flat", it doesn't matter what they think/say, they are still wrong.
....Objective morality, looks like the former:
I can say "rape is evil"... that's objective because it is fact. Other people can say rape is good, and they are making an incorrect statement by doing so. They can say all day long "rape is good, rape is good, rape is good", it doesn't matter what they think/say, they are still wrong.
You can say stealing is wrong.
Is stealing a loaf of bread objectively wrong?
Is stealing a loaf of bread always wrong?
Is stealing a loaf of bread wrong when otherwise your children will starve?
Morality can clearly be situational.
It has also been stated that rape is objectively wrong.
As it happens, there are cultures where this is not the case.
Here in these United States, the Fundamentalist Mormons marry off their young teen daughters into polygamous marriages with much older men.
These teen girls are then raped, but that is moral in their culture.
Is raping a 13-year-old more evil that raping a 14-year-old? How does one measure evil? What is the objective scale?
No, we measure good and evil by our reactions to it acts, by our personal, subjective feelings.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
Science is not a subject, but a method.