RE: My views on objective morality
March 13, 2016 at 9:44 pm
(This post was last modified: March 13, 2016 at 9:48 pm by Whateverist.)
(March 13, 2016 at 5:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(March 13, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Subjectivity doesn't speak to the truth or falseness of a claim. It speaks to the basis of the claim, the epistemology of it.
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Of course a subjective claim can be true. That doesn't mean it is any less subjective. In my subjective morality, murder is always wrong. That happens to coincide with your allegedly objective view. So clearly, you would agree that this subjective claim of mine is true, even though you might think I am right for the wrong reasons.
My understanding is that subjective means there is no right or wrong answer.
You'll have to take my word for it because I can't prove it but saying morality is subjective definitely does not mean there is no moral right or wrong in my universe.
(March 13, 2016 at 5:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I can say "rape is evil"... that's objective because it is fact. Other people can say rape is good, and they are making an incorrect statement by doing so. They can say all day long "rape is good, rape is good, rape is good", it doesn't matter what they think/say, they are still wrong.
Notice you are no longer saying "rape is objectively evil according to my Catholic beliefs". Now you seem to be saying that what you say is evil is evil because it is an objective fact. That makes everyone of us moral subjectivists have to ask exactly how you in your subjectivity get hold of the alleged objective moral facts? Does believing there is a God who decides what is moral objectively bestow the power to know the difference to those who believe in that God? Is every Catholic a moral genius on this account?
It would seem that the most you are in a position to say is that "rape is objectively evil" in case my religious beliefs are true.. We all have to assume that your position for recognizing the truth is no better or worse than any of ours. If indeed there are objective moral facts you must at least explain how you arrived at these from within your human subjectivity.
