RE: Teach children about Jesus at a young age,
March 16, 2016 at 8:06 pm
(This post was last modified: March 16, 2016 at 8:40 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(March 16, 2016 at 6:41 pm)Ben Davis Wrote: Oh, for fuck's sake. Are you even reading these posts or just having a conversation with yourself?*emphasis mine*
When you said this:
(March 11, 2016 at 5:45 am)Huggy74 Wrote: If "indoctrination" makes a child a good human being, how is that a bad thing?
...and this:
(March 11, 2016 at 8:17 am)Huggy74 Wrote: If the ideology a person is being "indoctrinated" into results in that person being as Stimbo puts it, "good and kind and loving"... I don't have a problem with that, no matter what religion they belonged to
...and this:
(March 11, 2016 at 8:47 am)Huggy74 Wrote: And my point was the REASONS for one being a "loving person" is irrelevant, the fact that they are a loving person is all that matters, hence the Nazi example.
...you were clearly stating that you don't care about the motivations behind behaviour, only about the behaviour itself. You then did a complete u-turn by saying that not only should we care about the motivations but that the motivations are more important than the behaviour. You contradict yourself.
What I CLEARLY stated was in the context of Ideology, seeing how were talking about indoctrination. "which is why I refered to the Nazi example.
(March 11, 2016 at 8:17 am)Huggy74 Wrote: If Nazi indoctrination resulted in "good and kind and loving" Nazi's, no one would've had a problem with them.Do you agree with the above statement?
You cannot produce love with hate, you cannot "indoctrinate" people with hateful ideology and produce love, It's common sense.
Therefore I am comfortable in saying that any ideology (no matter what it is) that causes one to love their fellow man, I'm ok with.
You on the other hand choose to make it about abuse, and anyone with a brain knows that abuse causes fear, not love.
(March 16, 2016 at 6:41 pm)Ben Davis Wrote:(March 16, 2016 at 6:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: You claimed that you can make a child "love" through abuse, even going so far as to say it was demonstrable, you have yet to provide the evidence of that.No I didn't. I stated that if you don't care about the motivations behind behaviour, you can't differentiate between someone who is actually loving and someone who is mimicking love. I used domestic abuse as an example.
Either it's love or it isn't, to "mimic" love means it's NOT love.
So if you saying that Abuse does not in fact cause love, then I agree.