Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense

[Nihilist Virus]

Can you accept that it is possible to know right from wrong, without understanding the concept of Good and evil?

No, at least not from you, because that contradicts he fuck out of your "pop morality" thread.

Do you have children?

No, and I hope to high hell that you don't either.

have you spent any time with any toddlers?

Yes, but not as much time as priests usually do.

It goes without saying that a toddler does not understand the concept of sin, evil. As sin and evil are based on God's laws and where one's heart is in relation to a given sin.

Well no shit, how the hell are they supposed to know it's evil to cook a goat in its mother's milk?

Yet they still understand good bad/things they know is ok to do and things they know it is not ok for them to do.

And again, this flies in the face of your other thread.

My sister has a little girl will be 3 this April, and for example she knows she is not supposed to touch the TV especially with sticky hands. I watched her this weekend and we had Dora on and she likes to try and touch Dora.. While making a complete mess of a Pb&J I went to get her a drink, and when she thought I left and could not see her she stood up looked around and with sticky fingers outstretched she bolted to the TV..

Now with no knowledge of Sin, She knew she was not supposed to touch the TV. Otherwise why wait till the authority figure had left (like Eve) looked around to see if anyone was going to hold her accountable to her actions, then move to do something she knew she was not supposed to do?

If she was completely unaware of right and wrong then why wait till I was gone?

OK so, if you admit that she doesn't understand right and wrong, are you going to slit her throat for committing a wrong? Because you are using this as an analogy to Adam and Eve's actions in the garden, so if we present the analogy of how God responded, then it's pretty much Drich walking up to that girl and slitting her damn throat.

The same situation senerio plays out the same way with Eve. She waited till even Adam was not around to fall for her temptation.

She knew it was wrong by the very fact that she waited till she was alone. Ate the forbidden fruit and when what she expected did not happen, she passed it on to Adam.

So again why did God put the tree in the garden? Because again the tree and it's fruit represented choice. God wanted us to chose to either stay or leave. we chose to leave. Now the choice gets extended out via Christ, stay gone or come back.

Well if they have an ever-present choice available to them, and there is a nonzero chance they will select that choice (which must be true by definition, because if there is a zero chance that they will select it then it's not actually a choice) then they WILL eventually make the choice given eternity. It is mathematically impossible to have an event with a nonzero probability of occurring that never occurs as time increases without bound.

And I would indeed argue Adam and Eve did die that very day as God promised.

Adam lived for 900+ years.

You assume that our current fallen form was what God created in the garden. I believe we are a hybrid of what God created in the garden and 'monkey man' who lived outside of it. Eitherway it's Obvious 'we' are not what God created as we can no longer be in the presence of God without being 'blinded, burned, consumed' by his Holy presence, and yet in the garden Adam walked with God daily. What God created Died that very day, we are what is left.

You're reading stuff into the story that isn't there, and then you claim it's obvious. LOL. I can do that too. Let's see... Mary was a cheating slut and got preggers from some uncircumcised Roman soldiers (she was such a slut that 3 sperms from 3 different guys all made it to the egg at the same time) and then she just claimed that God knocked her up. The 3 different daddies of Jesus give him 3 different personalities which explains why he's contradicting himself left and right. Obvious, dude.

Also there were people who were in the presence of God long after the Garden of Eden who were not blinded/burned/consumed. Jacob wrestled with God all night long in a totally non homo way.