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A Thought from a Deist
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RE: A Thought from a Theist
(March 11, 2011 at 6:30 pm)LastPoet Wrote:


To be honest, I do feel sorry for you...

Please don't feel sorry for me, I'm doing just fine.
(March 11, 2011 at 6:28 pm)Ace Otana Wrote: I was tempted to take on the whole post but I'm still technically on a break from debating religion, so I thought I'd take on a part of it for now.

Quote:God's creation was perfect until Satan and man introduced sin into it and with it's corrupting force sin has brought God's creation to it's present state.
I love it when theists do this. To me, it demonstrates the falseness of their beliefs.
Ok, now lets for the sake of argument, that there is a god and he designed and created everything. I would like to ask you something. Lets say there's a new aircraft with new engines on them. Lets say that for some reason the engines caught fire and blew up and so thus sending the aircraft out of the sky. Would you blame the pilot or the designer and builder of the new engine? If that engine fails, it isn't the pilots fault, it's the designer and builder of that engine. Now god designed and created the universe correct? Now whatever happens, he is directly responsible for it. He designed it, he created it. If we behave in certain ways, it's his fault, that's how he designed us. Also, god is all knowing, he KNEW we were going to sin.
And another thing, he created everything, so this includes Satan does it not? So he designed and created a powerful being which he KNEW was going to turn on him.
For god to design and create what he KNOWS will fail is a FAIL in itself!
God also KNEW about the suffering of those he creates, he designed and created it as so, this tells me that he's an arsehole!
Care to point out the rationality of all this bullshit?!

How do you know the pilot did not push the engines past their safety point, responsibility the pilot. The designer would set limits on the engine and with the pilot pushing them past their limit... well the pilot's at fault.
NO! He created Lucifer an arch angel, Lucifer sinned and did not repent and so he was the creator of Satan, just like your pilot he did not want to obey and suffers for his action.
God did not design man to sin that was man's choice, God gave man freewill and man misused it, just like your pilot misused the engines.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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A Thought from a Deist - by Cinjin - March 4, 2011 at 1:40 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Minimalist - March 4, 2011 at 3:06 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by KichigaiNeko - March 4, 2011 at 3:11 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by azharrison - March 4, 2011 at 3:36 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by ozgoat - March 4, 2011 at 4:43 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Zen Badger - March 4, 2011 at 6:00 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Rwandrall - March 4, 2011 at 6:31 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by reverendjeremiah - March 4, 2011 at 10:09 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Captain Scarlet - March 4, 2011 at 2:44 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by theVOID - March 4, 2011 at 2:57 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by reverendjeremiah - March 4, 2011 at 3:02 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by fr0d0 - March 4, 2011 at 3:06 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Zen Badger - March 5, 2011 at 8:07 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by fr0d0 - March 11, 2011 at 6:35 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Spectrum - March 4, 2011 at 4:29 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Skipper - March 4, 2011 at 4:39 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by The Omnissiunt One - March 4, 2011 at 5:02 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by reverendjeremiah - March 4, 2011 at 5:10 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by HeyItsZeus - March 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Godschild - March 4, 2011 at 8:41 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by theVOID - March 5, 2011 at 3:29 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Skipper - March 5, 2011 at 8:12 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Godschild - March 11, 2011 at 12:39 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Anomalocaris - March 11, 2011 at 2:36 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by reverendjeremiah - March 11, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Godschild - March 11, 2011 at 5:51 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by LastPoet - March 11, 2011 at 6:30 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Godschild - March 12, 2011 at 4:04 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Ace Otana - March 12, 2011 at 7:53 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Minimalist - March 4, 2011 at 9:30 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by padraic - March 5, 2011 at 3:49 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by tackattack - March 5, 2011 at 6:17 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Strongbad - March 5, 2011 at 10:53 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by downbeatplumb - March 5, 2011 at 10:56 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by reverendjeremiah - March 5, 2011 at 11:15 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Ubermensch - March 10, 2011 at 6:35 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Satyriasis - March 11, 2011 at 6:58 am
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by everythingafter - March 11, 2011 at 1:28 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by reverendjeremiah - March 11, 2011 at 1:58 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by everythingafter - March 11, 2011 at 2:04 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Ace Otana - March 11, 2011 at 6:28 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Rev. Rye - March 11, 2011 at 9:54 pm
RE: A Thought from a Theist - by Cinjin - March 12, 2011 at 5:35 am

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