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Bernie Sanders - Hope?
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RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope?
(March 19, 2016 at 12:18 am)Heat Wrote: I'm not saying Hillary is terrible by all means. All my point was is that if there is a choice between Bernie and Hillary claiming that Hillary is stronger than Bernie is demonstrably untrue. A strong leader doesn't change their political opinions based on what's popular at the time. It's fine to say Hillary is stronger than republican candidates, or in general, but at least pay homage to the fact that Sanders, like him or not, isn't backing down, and won't compromise with republicans on his views. He's a true leader. I'm not saying this because i'm biased, but because even if you dislike everything he stands for you can at the very least agree that the strongest leaders know what they are fighting for, and are more concerned about doing the right thing than doing the thing that will bring money.


Hillary is weak because she doesn't fight for what she believes, she fights for what others believe, and the others she is fighting for, believe in scamming the system for personal gain.

I don't know if it's demonstrably untrue. I think Hillary has her strengths, and Bernie has his. I like Bernie's strengths better--his integrity, for one. His voice for the common people, two.

But Hillary is stronger politically, stronger than Obama too. She's a more powerful figure in Washington. This is very important in the executive. As much as her husband is a liability, he's also a boon to her diplomatically.

Look, I love Bernie and would want nothing more than a Bernie Sanders presidency, but my point still stands: he's been saying the same thing for 40 years and not been effective at getting more people on board for 95% of that time. He is riding the wave of social change just like Hillary is, the difference being he is opportunistic in a different way.
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Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Heat - March 16, 2016 at 2:51 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 16, 2016 at 2:55 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Heat - March 16, 2016 at 3:09 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 16, 2016 at 3:39 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by ReptilianPeon - March 16, 2016 at 3:35 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Joods - March 16, 2016 at 3:40 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by ReptilianPeon - March 16, 2016 at 3:51 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Whateverist - March 16, 2016 at 8:27 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 16, 2016 at 6:23 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Mr.wizard - March 16, 2016 at 6:08 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Joods - March 16, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Joods - March 16, 2016 at 4:03 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 16, 2016 at 4:09 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 17, 2016 at 1:00 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by AFTT47 - March 18, 2016 at 2:37 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 18, 2016 at 5:15 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Heat - March 18, 2016 at 9:55 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by ReptilianPeon - March 16, 2016 at 4:25 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 16, 2016 at 4:52 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 17, 2016 at 1:08 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by ReptilianPeon - March 16, 2016 at 4:59 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 16, 2016 at 5:01 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by ReptilianPeon - March 16, 2016 at 6:58 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 16, 2016 at 6:20 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Grandizer - March 16, 2016 at 5:23 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Excited Penguin - March 16, 2016 at 5:50 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 16, 2016 at 7:41 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Chad32 - March 16, 2016 at 8:54 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by ReptilianPeon - March 16, 2016 at 9:05 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Whateverist - March 16, 2016 at 9:07 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by ReptilianPeon - March 16, 2016 at 9:14 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Whateverist - March 16, 2016 at 9:48 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 16, 2016 at 9:19 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by I_am_not_mafia - March 16, 2016 at 9:40 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by ReptilianPeon - March 16, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 16, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Brian37 - March 16, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Chad32 - March 16, 2016 at 9:44 am
Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by KUSA - March 16, 2016 at 9:47 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by I_am_not_mafia - March 16, 2016 at 10:52 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Brian37 - March 16, 2016 at 9:54 am
Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by KUSA - March 16, 2016 at 10:03 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by AFTT47 - March 16, 2016 at 10:09 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by I_am_not_mafia - March 16, 2016 at 11:08 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by I_am_not_mafia - March 16, 2016 at 11:13 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 16, 2016 at 6:27 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Minimalist - March 16, 2016 at 11:57 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Chad32 - March 16, 2016 at 12:23 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Minimalist - March 16, 2016 at 10:18 pm
Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by KUSA - March 16, 2016 at 12:31 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Grandizer - March 16, 2016 at 2:49 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Minimalist - March 16, 2016 at 12:32 pm
Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by KUSA - March 16, 2016 at 12:36 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 17, 2016 at 1:14 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Minimalist - March 16, 2016 at 12:36 pm
Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by KUSA - March 16, 2016 at 12:58 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Minimalist - March 16, 2016 at 10:15 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Rev. Rye - March 16, 2016 at 10:46 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 17, 2016 at 2:28 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 17, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 17, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 17, 2016 at 3:50 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 17, 2016 at 4:39 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Heat - March 17, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 18, 2016 at 12:15 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Heat - March 18, 2016 at 1:21 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 18, 2016 at 2:10 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 18, 2016 at 2:28 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 18, 2016 at 2:34 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Minimalist - March 17, 2016 at 11:11 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Minimalist - March 18, 2016 at 12:00 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Whateverist - March 18, 2016 at 12:23 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 18, 2016 at 11:21 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 18, 2016 at 11:28 pm
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Heat - March 19, 2016 at 12:18 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 19, 2016 at 12:19 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Wyrd of Gawd - March 19, 2016 at 3:25 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 19, 2016 at 12:25 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by Minimalist - March 19, 2016 at 1:08 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 19, 2016 at 4:16 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by SteelCurtain - March 19, 2016 at 4:46 am
RE: Bernie Sanders - Hope? - by I_am_not_mafia - March 19, 2016 at 5:27 am

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