(March 19, 2016 at 12:05 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(March 19, 2016 at 11:56 am)Brian37 Wrote: That is like saying the number 1 is separate from the 1 apple on the table. No, there is just the apple. Our thoughts are the abstraction that arises out of the material process. You really are nothing more than your brain in motion.You are making a lot of positive assertions. You are clearly confident that you know what's what. However, saying something and being able to demonstrate its truth are not the same thing.
Quote:"Mind" is only a an abstract word that describes what we observe when others communicate with us.No, it's totally not that. Mind is the experience of thoughts and perceptions.
You are pulling the same tactic theists do in trying to shift the burden of proof.
I do not claim the mind exists separate from the brain, you are the one making the positive assertion, not me. Not up to me to do your homework for you.
Me, "Allah does not exist"
You, "You just made a positive assertion"
Me, "No, our best data today says humans make up gods"
You, "Prove that Allah doesn't exist".
NOW what you are doing is the same shifting the burden of proof with the word "mind".
All I did was tell you that our best scientific to date says your brain is it.
Now if you think there is something scientifically proven called a "mind" and not simply an abstract word, be my guest, go conduct your experiments, have them independently peer reviewed and collect your Nobel Prize and patient. I am not treating you any differently than I would any old book believer.
We are not separate from our bodies. We know this medically because when our brains get damaged or dies, we have not found anything indicating two separate physical things. If you are going to claim the mind is not physical, then all it can be is an abstract word describing our brains in motion.
Not up to me to do your homework for you.