RE: Mind is the brain?
March 19, 2016 at 10:25 pm
(This post was last modified: March 19, 2016 at 10:27 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(March 19, 2016 at 10:18 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(March 19, 2016 at 4:11 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Except I didn't equate the two; my point is that MRI data supports my point, insofar as it corresponds consistently with both localized brain functions which are known to produce subjective experiences, and with the subjective reporting offered by the subjects of those scans.
We haven't even touched upon electrode-stimulation which produces entirely subjective mental events.
I don't think you can say that reporting OF subjective experiences is sufficient to establish that there are in fact subjective mental events. In living as a human, I all the time do this: assume that other people have minds and feelings. However, science based on such a fundamental assumption is going to have problems with circularity. If you say, for example, "I know this subject has experiences because he can describe them," then what happens thirty years from now when your average toaster will be able to tell you how it feels today? What if your computer says "Ouch!" when you start soldering the wrong connection?
I think Rhythm and others would say "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck." But I would counter that doesn't guarantee that it experences like a duck-- unless it's actually a duck.
Let's cut to the chase: How much convergent evidence would you require in order to reexamine your views?
You keep simply waving away fact after fact in isolation, ignoring the fact that all the evidence points in the same direction.
So what would be your threshold for evidence which would give you pause? Be honest.
As for machine consciousness, I don't know if it will come to pass or not.