Still don't think we need a wall?

[TheRealJoeFish]

I think stricter gun laws will help better than a wall. Unless you want to put a wall around every house in America because people shoot each other all the time around here.

Right. Because criminals, (illegals or not), obey the current laws on the books now, so what's a couple more?

If a person wants to commit a crime, tougher laws probably won't stop them.

I'm starting to maintain that the most productive focus for Americans who want less gun violence - myself extremely included - is not to try to make guns illegal but is make it seem stupid to want one around (for the record, I think in some cases it is certainly not stupid to want one around, but in most cases it is).  Now, listen, I don't mean hunting stuff.  But I think the clear emphasis should be on making sure that any law-abiding person who buys a gun knows that, by far, the most likely person that gun will put a bullet in is the purchaser him/herself, followed by family members.

Many, many gun owners are law-abiding until they shoot their exes or their neighbors.  Hell, the big news in Pennsylvania now is an ex-State Trooper (honorably retired after 26 years) killing two people at a turnpike tollbooth before being killed himself.  Bet that when he purchased a gun he never ever thought he would use it for something criminal.

For a normal law abiding gun owner, a gun's "nice to have around" in case "someone tries to rob me."  That's fine, and private citizens with guns do stop crimes, both at home and in public.  But I'd never, ever, ever keep a gun if 1) I was in a household with someone depressed or mentally ill or 2) in a household with a child (especially a teenager).  In that case, I'd acknowledge that a bullet from that gun is far more likely to end up in my brain, or the brain of someone I love or care about, than a criminal's.

/rant