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Is Lack of Belief the Best You Can Do?
RE: Is Lack of Belief the Best You Can Do?
(March 22, 2016 at 5:47 pm)Felasco Wrote:
(March 22, 2016 at 5:33 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I lack belief not because I credit humanity with extraordinary powers of reason, but simply because I see no evidence and I ain't built with faith.

"Seeing no evidence" means, you feel the rules of human reason are binding upon the topic, and those rules have not been complied with adequately.  There are two assertions here:

What else do we have besides "human reason"?

It kind  of goes without saying that we are relying on human reasoning (demonstrable evidence and sound/valid logic) to come to the conclusion that the claim that a god exists has insufficient evidence to justify belief. 

Quote:1) human reason is the qualified authority

I'll bet you used human reason to come up with that statement. 

What else do we have? 

Quote:2) this authority does not allow the god proposal, due to a failure to meet the authority's evidence rules.

if you use another method other than human reason, I'd sure like to know what it is. 

Oh...

And how would you go about testing if a conclusion you come to, that is not based on human reason, is true? 

Quote:In order to arrive at "lack belief" in regards to gods, a person first has to have belief in the above assertions regarding human reason.

What we have going for us by basing our conclusions about the universe on demonstrable and falsifiable evidence and valid and sound logic, is that we have a method of testing the conclusions.

Once you let us know what your other method is, besides reason, also let us know how would you go about figuring out if it leads to true conclusions.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Is Lack of Belief the Best You Can Do? - by abaris - March 18, 2016 at 4:26 pm
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