RE: Why the whole Adam and Eve Fall story makes no sense
March 24, 2016 at 8:06 am
(This post was last modified: March 24, 2016 at 8:45 am by FebruaryOfReason.)
(March 24, 2016 at 12:16 am)Godschild Wrote: I've never ignored evidence, unlike you I seek it all the time. I seek the truth (proof) in scriptures all the time, you've just never considered such a thing. In your own mind are there contradictions in scriptures. When Christians bring up contradictions in evolution or other sciences the atheist say we will find the truth in the future just give us time, yet you would not consider this viable for Christians to say about the scriptures, now would you.
GC
No, I would not consider this viable for Christians to say about scripture. Because your scripture is finished. Your Bible is a finished book and can never change, regardless of what happens in the future. Indeed, one of its final lessons is that it should never be changed: (Revelation 22:18-19)
Quote:"If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. 19. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
By contrast, the scientific position is continually open to change. We changed our ideas about phlogiston and calx because it turned out they were wrong. And it led to a better understanding of combustion.
Instead of slavishly adhering to a book that tries to tell us you can create a woman from a man's rib, we actually looked at the human body, and it helped us to stop people bleeding to death during operations.
We used to think that the world was composed of just four elements, and water was one of these, indivisible and absolute. But then chemists succeeded in synthesizing water from two different elements. So we changed our mind.
We tried to make gold from base substances, but when we found out that this was not possible using chemical reactions, we revised our ideas, and in the process we discovered how each element had certain characteristics that predicted the existence of other elements, which we have now found.
We revised our ideas about motion as envisaged by classical mechanics, and it enabled us land a probe on the surface of a comet.
I don't imagine that this process will eventually bring us round to the idea of a God with suspiciously anthropomorphic features who leaves us only a single book as "evidence" of himself, who arbitrarily murders his devotees with the same apparent relish as he murders unbelievers, and who suffers his priests to rape children for years without bothering to intervene despite assertions that he is omnipotent and omniscient.
We look at the world around us, we test what we think, and if we are wrong, we change our minds. We don't look to a single set of assertions to justify our opinions. We look at the real world.
But you only seek "proof" in scriptures. Why not anywhere else?
I have indeed looked for truth in scripture. I looked at the Bible and it tried to tell me that a five hundred year old man could build a boat big enough to hold two of every animal in the world. This is consistent with the Bible being fiction rather than fact.
I asked myself how many five hundred year old men I'd ever met, and the answer was "none". I asked myself what happened to people as they aged, and the answer was "they become physically less strong, much less able to build boats". No one I've ever met over the age of 90 was capable of building a boat. This is consistent with the Bible being fiction rather than fact
I asked myself why the Bible offers no concrete prediction we could test, why it contains no specific fact that would not be common knowledge to a set of scribes living a few thousand years ago. The absence of such concrete, specific, testable predictions is exactly what we would expect if they were simply making it up rather than transcribing the wisdom of an omniscient being.
I asked myself why another bunch of people living a few thousand miles from you believe - with a conviction equal to your own - in an elephant god, and another bunch of people believe - with just as much justification - that they will die and come back to life as snails, giraffes or lions. That is the level of contradiction that we would expect if all of those ideas had been simply dreamed up with no reference to reality.
You don't look for evidence at all. You can't even look around you and see the most basic evidence in front of your eyes. You treat a disorganised book of rubbish as "evidence", and you look in it only for confirmation of what you want to believe.
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