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Is Lack of Belief the Best You Can Do?
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RE: Is Lack of Belief the Best You Can Do?
March 24, 2016 at 8:17 pm (This post was last modified: March 24, 2016 at 8:21 pm by Simon Moon.)
(March 24, 2016 at 8:02 pm)Felasco Wrote:
Quote:The qualifications are, it works.

EVERY advancement ever made is a result of reason. 

Human lifespan has more than doubled in the last 100 years, airflight, modern medicine, computers, etc, etc, etc... All because of reason.


And as already discussed above, this is not proof that human reason therefore works for EVERYTHING.

Never said it did.

In this discussion, I am only concerned with existential claims. 

Quote:Can we use reason to fall in love, a key aspiration of most humans?   No, we can't.

Seems like a non sequitur to the discussion we are having.


We are discussing whether reason is the best method to discern whether it is justified to believe in supernatural, existential claims. 

Quote:I am declining to believe in the infinite power of human reason on faith, just as you reasonably decline to believe in the infinite power of holy books on faith.  I am the real atheist here.

Straw man alert!!!

Who the hell has claimed that human reason has infinite power?

All we are claiming, is that reason is by far, the single best method we have discovered (so far) to discern fact from fiction.

Sorry, but there is zero faith required to accept reason as the best method for examining the universe.

Here's a question for you; do you currently accept the premise, that at least one god exists, to be true?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Is Lack of Belief the Best You Can Do? - by abaris - March 18, 2016 at 4:26 pm
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