(March 25, 2016 at 6:42 pm)Sterben Wrote:(March 25, 2016 at 1:13 pm)Jenny A Wrote: You were complaining that I used the term xenophobic in response to Kusa suggesting Sterben leave the country. That comment from Sterben, is what Kusa was referring to. Burkas and sharia law have nothing to do with it. They are a non sequitur you introduced. How you got to burkas without foriegn paranoia is beyond me. Perhaps you can explain the connection?
I'm a bit confused by that as well, I stated that adopting some concepts from other systems of government would be a good idea. This was a argument between Kusa and I that went into a completely different area some how. I understand that being xenophobic is a major problem from these "I love America and we find it offense if you mock our flag" types is causing a lot of problems. Can we be adults and just admit America is not number in the world? The evidence is everywhere you look, what were doing is wrong to people from the middle east. If anyone stopped and thought about it they would agree, were just making more problems then necessary. A simple solution would be leave these people alone, and get out of there lands. That's what they want in the long run is to be left alone. So can we all take step back and agree to leave the middle east alone?
No, we cant, nor should we. Now that is not to say we should have wars every five years, but to let a region of the world that is still living in it's own dark ages . It is still a globe and we have to engage to some degree the entire world, even our enemies. I'd only agree that our long term policies on war since WW2 have sucked and it does not help that our right wing Christians have a really horrible dominion attitude that doesn't help global diplomacy.
I do think we blew it by invading Afghanistan an Iraq was not only a disaster, but a disaster based on a lie, and didn't learn shit from the Russians who couldn't tame Afghanistan. We could have quite easily done what Obama finally did without a ground invasion. But if you think we should not go after violent people at all, that is absurd.
I am not afraid of Sharia Law or a global takeover of Islam, but it is not something to be ignored anymore than any other religion, and right now it is still on average still more stuck in a theocratic past than the west, which has had benefit of secular law as a leash on it.
It would be nice to think that we could, but while most in Islam are not violent, just like Christianity, there are still enough in it that want it to spread and still just enough who do have power and weapons. I only agree that the idea of ground wars is stupid. I think we need to simply treat the violent assholes as criminals rather than soldiers or heros, and ONLY as a last resort, go in ONLY IF we have enough global support. We haven't had that in any war since the defeat of Hitler.
Bin Laden unfortunately got exactly what he wanted from us, an over reaction, and a waste of money on our part. Physical wars cost money and the only people who get rich are the investors and they exist on all sides.
