(March 25, 2016 at 12:21 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(March 25, 2016 at 1:11 am)scoobysnack Wrote: There are so many stories of people that are so involved they are brainwashed to go along with it. Usually they are involved in state jobs, and believe in the system.

You seem to think I wrote that no one was brainwashed.  I wrote no such thing. That renders this section of your reply irrelevant.

(March 25, 2016 at 1:11 am)scoobysnack Wrote: You must be forgetting about all the people that were pushing the system on the poor that were against it, and ended up in the camps. Remember a common theme of those that don't agree is a camp.

You're rather undermining your own argument here, given the large numbers of people who were sent to camps.

(March 25, 2016 at 1:11 am)scoobysnack Wrote: All communist countries to this day has slave labor, and reeducation camps through labor.

"Reeducation through labor" was a cynical justification cooked up by Lenin and Trotsky in 1919 to gain access to slave labor... but if you read about the history and practices of the GULags, you'll find that "education" was not given in the camps.

(March 25, 2016 at 1:11 am)scoobysnack Wrote: I still don't know why liberals support this, unless they think they will be in leadership positions enforcing the camps, and get off on it.

I don't know why you're directing this point at me, given that I'm not a liberal (in the modern sense of the word), nor do I support imprisonment for crimes of conscience.

The only point I was making is that many, if not most, citizens in most Communist countries aren't brainwashed (I do not include North Korea because I don't know enough about what's going on there).

Why that bothers you so much that you start tossing around irrelevancies is an interesting question.

Yeah I need to be careful about throwing the word liberal around, so I'll stop that. True liberals are not todays neo-liberal. The reeducation camps through labor, basically were meant to break peoples will so they learned who was in charge, thus reeducating them to the way they were desired to obey.

(March 25, 2016 at 12:07 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(March 24, 2016 at 7:18 am)KUSA Wrote: Perhaps you should explain your personal theory of evolution. Is it something you made up?

You really should take some Midol, your period this month seems really bad.

You sound like Trump. Excellent.

(March 25, 2016 at 12:45 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: OK, well which elements would you like to discuss? I was talking about sharia law.

By posting a link to jihadwatch, which again is as rightwing as they come. Pure agitation without paying too much attention to facts.

Nobody will ever introduce Shharia law in the Western world. We're talking about 3 to 5 percent of any given western population.

(March 25, 2016 at 12:45 pm)scoobysnack Wrote:

(March 25, 2016 at 12:37 pm)Jenny A Wrote: So this comment:


That statement is a reason to ask someone to leave the U.S?  Because heaven forbid we talk about how government and financial systemservices work elsewhere.  It can only lead to burkas.  Seriously?

If you you think so, yeah you are xenophobic.

OK, well which elements would you like to discuss? I was talking about sharia law.

You were complaining that I used the term xenophobic in response to Kusa suggesting Sterben leave the country. That comment from Sterben, is what Kusa was referring to. Burkas and sharia law have nothing to do with it. They are a non sequitur you introduced. How you got to burkas without foriegn paranoia is beyond me. Perhaps you can explain the connection?

(March 25, 2016 at 1:13 pm)Jenny A Wrote:

(March 25, 2016 at 12:45 pm)scoobysnack Wrote: OK, well which elements would you like to discuss? I was talking about sharia law.

You were complaining that I used the term xenophobic in response to Kusa suggesting Sterben leave the country. That comment from Sterben, is what Kusa was referring to.  Burkas and sharia law have nothing to do with it. They are a non sequitur you introduced.  How you got to  burkas without foriegn paranoia is beyond me.  Perhaps you can explain the connection?

       I'm a bit confused by that as well, I stated that adopting some concepts from other systems of government would be a good idea. This was a argument between Kusa and I that went into a completely different area some how. I understand that being xenophobic is a major problem from these "I love America and we find it offense if you mock our flag" types is causing a lot of problems. Can we be adults and just admit America is not number in the world? The evidence is everywhere you look, what were doing is wrong to people from the middle east. If anyone stopped and thought about it they would agree, were just making more problems then necessary. A simple solution would be leave these people alone, and get out of there lands. That's what they want in the long run is to be left alone. So can we all take step back and agree to leave the middle east alone?

(March 25, 2016 at 6:42 pm)Sterben Wrote:

(March 25, 2016 at 1:13 pm)Jenny A Wrote: You were complaining that I used the term xenophobic in response to Kusa suggesting Sterben leave the country. That comment from Sterben, is what Kusa was referring to.  Burkas and sharia law have nothing to do with it. They are a non sequitur you introduced.  How you got to  burkas without foriegn paranoia is beyond me.  Perhaps you can explain the connection?

       I'm a bit confused by that as well, I stated that adopting some concepts from other systems of government would be a good idea. This was a argument between Kusa and I that went into a completely different area some how. I understand that being xenophobic is a major problem from these "I love America and we find it offense if you mock our flag" types is causing a lot of problems. Can we be adults and just admit America is not number in the world? The evidence is everywhere you look, what were doing is wrong to people from the middle east. If anyone stopped and thought about it they would agree, were just making more problems then necessary. A simple solution would be leave these people alone, and get out of there lands. That's what they want in the long run is to be left alone. So can we all take step back and agree to leave the middle east alone?

No, we cant, nor should we. Now that is not to say we should have wars every five years, but to let a region of the world that is still living in it's own dark ages . It is still a globe and we have to engage to some degree the entire world, even our enemies. I'd only agree that our long term policies on war since WW2 have sucked and it does not help that our right wing Christians have a really horrible dominion attitude that doesn't help global diplomacy.

I do think we blew it by invading Afghanistan an Iraq was not only a disaster, but a disaster based on a lie, and didn't learn shit from the Russians who couldn't tame Afghanistan. We could have quite easily done what Obama finally did without a ground invasion. But if you think we should not go after violent people at all, that is absurd. 

I am not afraid of Sharia Law or a global takeover of Islam, but it is not something to be ignored anymore than any other religion, and right now it is still on average still more stuck in a theocratic past than the west, which has had benefit of secular law as a leash on it.

It would be nice to think that we could, but while most in Islam are not violent, just like Christianity, there are still enough in it that want it to spread and still just enough who do have power and weapons. I only agree that the idea of ground wars is stupid. I think we need to simply treat the violent assholes as criminals rather than soldiers or heros, and ONLY  as a last resort, go in ONLY IF we have enough global support. We haven't had that in any war since the defeat of Hitler.

Bin Laden unfortunately got exactly what he wanted from us, an over reaction, and a waste of money on our part. Physical wars cost money and the only people who get rich are the investors and they exist on all sides.

(March 25, 2016 at 7:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I am not afraid of Sharia Law or a global takeover of Islam, but it is not something to be ignored anymore than any other religion, and right now it is still on average still more stuck in a theocratic past than the west, which has had benefit of secular law as a leash on it.

You have to put things into proportion. One thing, our media never does. Two days ago, it was Brussels. Terrible, and the outrage is more than justified. But in other news, today another suicide bomber blew himself up in Bagdad, claiming as many lives. That's not Islam or muslims waging war on the West. That's backwards sects waging war on everyone not fitting their bill of perfection. Terror is a daiily phenomenon in the Middle East. Only we don't take note, unless it's in our comfort zone. It simply doesn't interest us or our media. The majority of victims still are fellow muslims. So it's kind of blaming the victims when someone pulls out the broad brush to say, it's Islams or muslims. Several, relatively small militias and terrorist organisations are at the core of the problem. And we would be well adivsed if the sane parties were working together instead of just blindly blaming entire groups.