(March 26, 2016 at 12:52 am)MysticKnight Wrote:(March 26, 2016 at 12:35 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: If the standards exist objectively and god must hold and enforce those standards, then they are greater than he is, and he is not their source.
I'm sorry but what you said doesn't make sense. If they exist separately from God, then yes, I concede. Do they exist separately from God? No God is the Ultimate unity by which all these standards descend from, he being the ultimate standard. Everything is created through how it relates to God and his vision of himself with respect to that creation. He gives everything it's creation, then guides it to it's goal. He is the light of all light, by which his creation are guided by and towards. Morality, goodness, love, compassion, these are all names we make use of, describing somethings. None of these things, not on instance of creation, is separate from God.
Ok, so you believe that God is the source of the rules, meaning that divine command determines right and wrong and there is no need for morality. That would be the first scenario I described, and it still isn't objective morality.
If you are arguing for Divine Command Theory, you are not arguing for objective morality.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com