(March 26, 2016 at 8:05 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(March 26, 2016 at 12:26 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: Word salad word salad word salad, word salad word salad, word salad. Word salad....Asserting that it still applies does not make it so. Since you have no respect for philosophy (word salad, as you say) then maybe you should refrain from engaging in it. In other words, better to be silent and thought the fool, than speak and provide proof.
The Euthypro dilemma was originally conceived under polytheism, but the philosophical question it asks still applies to monotheism, and monotheism still falls short of an answer to it.
What, do I need to lay it out for you?
Actually, I probably do.
The Euthypro Dilemma is what I've already been describing (though I didn't know it was called that until I looked it up), and it asks whether the gods love the pious because it's pious or whether it's pious because they love it. The immediate response is that all the gods might not agree, to which the response is that the pious is only that upon which all the gods agree.
Monotheism sidesteps that part of the issue entirely, since there's only one god to decide what's pious, so he always agrees with himself (theoretically). This actually simplifies the question, and when applied to philosophical monotheism, the question looks like this:
"Is what's morally good commanded by god because it's morally good, or is it morally good because god commands it?"
If it's the first, then objective morality might exist, but god is not the source of it. If it's the second, then we're talking Divine Command Theory, which isn't morality.
So yeah...your god doesn't escape this problem, and you've failed to show otherwise.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com