RE: Proving God in 20 statements
April 1, 2016 at 6:08 pm
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2016 at 6:11 pm by Redbeard The Pink.)
"I know! I'll dress up the First Cause argument using a lot of text and a bunch of math, then accuse anyone who doesn't agree with me of not reading it or not understanding it! THAT'LL show those ATHEISTS!"
Yeah, no, I read the whole thing, and it's still bullshit. All you're trying to do is argue/define your god into existence, and it looks like you're making some leaps that don't seem to be supported at all. Presuming the Universe is finite, there's no reason to believe it would take an infinite energy source to generate it. It might take a vast energy source, but I see no evidence here for the assertion that it would have to be infinite.
Furthermore, trying to worm your way into being able to say that "God caused God" doesn't stop your argument from being fallacious and ill-formed; in fact, it doesn't even stop it from being special pleading. If you're positing that God caused God, then you're allowing for the possibility that things can cause themselves, meaning the Universe could have caused itself. If God is the only thing that can cause itself, then you're back to special pleading.
If you're positing a First Cause that is outside space-time, I'd love to know how you know anything about this Cause at all, or how you present evidence for any of the assertions you've made about it. Before you reach for your Bible, remember that the Bible was written by humans whose scientific knowledge would be dwarfed by the average middle schooler. Unless you have some evidence to support the assertion that they would be able to know things from outside space-time, their writings are essentially useless in proving anything (especially since they're technically the claim, and you can't use a claim to prove itself because that's circular).
Yeah, no, I read the whole thing, and it's still bullshit. All you're trying to do is argue/define your god into existence, and it looks like you're making some leaps that don't seem to be supported at all. Presuming the Universe is finite, there's no reason to believe it would take an infinite energy source to generate it. It might take a vast energy source, but I see no evidence here for the assertion that it would have to be infinite.Furthermore, trying to worm your way into being able to say that "God caused God" doesn't stop your argument from being fallacious and ill-formed; in fact, it doesn't even stop it from being special pleading. If you're positing that God caused God, then you're allowing for the possibility that things can cause themselves, meaning the Universe could have caused itself. If God is the only thing that can cause itself, then you're back to special pleading.
If you're positing a First Cause that is outside space-time, I'd love to know how you know anything about this Cause at all, or how you present evidence for any of the assertions you've made about it. Before you reach for your Bible, remember that the Bible was written by humans whose scientific knowledge would be dwarfed by the average middle schooler. Unless you have some evidence to support the assertion that they would be able to know things from outside space-time, their writings are essentially useless in proving anything (especially since they're technically the claim, and you can't use a claim to prove itself because that's circular).
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
