RE: Proving God in 20 statements
April 1, 2016 at 7:19 pm
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2016 at 7:22 pm by smfortune.)
(April 1, 2016 at 7:14 pm)RozKek Wrote:I know what god of the gaps is. If I was guilty of that, I would admit it. But there is no gap. I present no gap and say "god". I'm actually demonstrating the absence of a gap. I don't know what your Thor analogy is about but it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.(April 1, 2016 at 5:03 pm)smfortune Wrote: There's no gap here. We know that scientific explanations will be either incomplete or inconsistent and they are in such a way so that an explanation of the Universe must regress to an infinitely great power, i.e. God. This isn't a gap. It's an inescapable fact.
Actually the gap is the things we don't have an answer to and god is the filler. There are gaps, and god isn't a valid filler. God is like a "super" variable that you put as the answer of every equation even if it's wrong, just because you can't solve the equation. And once you solve that equation, unsurprisingly you see that god wasn't the answer.
I literally speaking see no reason to why not knowing the answer of something makes room for god as the answer? Honestly. Your thinking is very faulty.
If you'd ask a viking: "What causes thunder"? They'd answer "Thor" (which is merely an assumption just like god). Why? Because they didn't know the real answer. According to your logic at that time Thor really was the cause of thunder since there was no other explanation.
We humans have limited technology and intelligence, science is either "incomplete" or "inconsistent" because we don't make assumptions, we ask questions, make hypothesis followed by experiments and expand our knowledge based on what the experiment/evidence shows and repeat but this time based on previous knowledge. No scientist claims that our theories are 100% true. But we accept them until we find a better theory if there is any, that is how we make progress. Imagine if people thought the way you did but thousands of years ago, we'd make no progress, really, because at that time our scientific knowledge wasn't nearly as good as now which means (using your logic) we would accept god as the answer and not do any hypothesis, experiments etc. Our knowledge would never increase.
My point is because one doesn't currently know the answer doesn't mean god is the correct answer. That is no evidence for god at all. The closest it comes is a suggestion but fortunately that suggestion has no scientific support at all.
We humans will most likely never know the answer to everything and that doesn't leave room for god as an answer. "It's an inescapable fact".
(April 1, 2016 at 6:56 pm)smfortune Wrote:(April 1, 2016 at 6:37 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: OK. Then I'll go with the positions stated here.Well then, there's no convincing you. Good day.
http://scienceblogs.com/goodmath/2010/05...dont-know/
BTW, no amount of arguing, with math or anything else, can ever make a fantasy real.
P.S. as per your link, a GUT is not a TOE.